What's new in Eth2 Number 88 - 25 February 2022 with Ben Edgington and superphiz

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hello ben edgington how are you hey superfiz i am very well thank you and how are you you're looking tanned after east denver was it sunny it's not sunny i i actually stood in a line in 12 degree weather for three hours at 5 00 a.m because i didn't want to be late to shelling point uh and it turns out i probably could have showed up five minutes before it had been just fine but it was a great event yeah you're a proper enthusiast nice one yeah well so funny thing the shelling point i i had i i may have um exaggerated it in my mind and i'm like if if i don't go to the shelling point then am i really part of the process uh

i really over dramatize the dramatic size i don't know dramatically um hey so i wanted to say something i i i can't tell you i've had like 10 comments that are like fizz hang your damn pictures up so i did actually hang my pictures up and then my friend daniel bindorff he was like hey can i sponsor you and i was like no and he's like um he i don't know if how oh that's that sign says we are layer zero and he's like can i can i buy an ad that says where layer zero and put it in your room and i was like yeah so i have now i am officially a shell now i'm also a chauffeur get poep anyway i just i wanted to point that out

because i'm really grateful that uh some people appreciate the work and so it just kind of makes my day thank you daniel good um right do you want to leap into the uh what's do you think are you going to put it up on screen last time i actually uh i'm i'm a continual improver let me figure out how to uh my mind is totally forgotten how to use zoom um so i believe in constant improvement and so i have um so there's probably going to be a black spot oh that didn't happen okay um i went through and i highlighted things that i want to make sure we hit um but i don't want that to take you away from

anything that you want to bring up because you all you already know it you wrote it you know it's so much better than i do um i just didn't want to like get hung on trying to to to find stuff so uh what's new eth2 25th february 2022 edition 88. congratulations thank you so much lucky edition are you familiar with uh back to the future uh yeah uh remind me so it's um a movie probably from 1988 but the time machine needs to travel 88 miles an hour to travel in time so it's one of my favorite numbers for that reason nice one

uh so danny ryan at east denver um absolutely awesome talk uh any hots uh it was great you you were there you were uh in the audience for that bit or did you catch up later i i i left before the crowd got huge uh i left denver um i actually flew back on friday morning um because in my mind like i'm really there to meet people and i can watch talks online um and to kind of reduce my chances of covet i thought it would be best to come back before it got crazy and i missed danny like i've really been looking forward to meeting him in person but this talk was

um one of his greats i i think it's going to go down on the books as uh as a top 10 uh ethereum talk and it's just as such a great uh ambassador for the whole thing i mean we are super blessed with uh how he landed on the scene of um eth2 i mean he was active uh in the ethereum foundation he put together um eip1011 which was a specification for proof of stake doing it the old way the um uh the serenity way run by contract on the uh eth1 chain um and uh championed all of that and you know i felt i met him first in berlin in

mid-2018 which was the point at which we basically just trashed that design and said right we're not doing that we're starting with a blank sheet of paper i i really felt him but um danny is awesome and he has taken the whole project in hand um and is just super uh brilliant to getting everybody organized but uh also presenting i just love listening to him podcast presentations i'll i'll listen all day yeah he um as far as brilliant humble leader go leaders go he is uh top tier and i uh he's one of those people that uh i i look how do i say like i don't i don't really have icons uh

because i feel like that's that's misguided your icons are gonna fall um but if i did danny would be one of them so yeah i'm glad to have i hope everyone checks out this talk um i just posted on e-sticker this morning i'll write it sticker and definitely a contender for best hair in in crypto and best quas sorry [Laughter] yeah there's a video out there somewhere of him uh doing handstands uh outside his house oh wow everybody's gonna go stalk danny now um yeah so we're 45 minutes in and we got to the first sentence in let's do it um and so preston was was there i i also didn't see preston i've met him before

but um so just sort of going back to this idea that uh eth2 is a thing and i i'm sort of well i'm still in the middle um i'm still comfortable with eth2 as a concept i don't i don't think we should really i don't think it's an argument that's worth arguing it's it's a thing yeah yeah i i don't know over um over egg this one uh let's move on this next one it's it's hard not to take it as a joke um because someone put a lot of time into writing an academic paper about a terrible terrible

uh slashing fault in the beacon chain and what how did it turn out well it turned out to be completely bogus so uh there the data that they were using was just not the correct data so uh yeah it's kind of extraordinary um and the the bit you highlighted a bit lower down uh i am really puzzled by this approach that um kind of looks to leap out from behind the bush and say aha gotcha um yeah we found a serious flaw that breaks your entire protocol um and we didn't discuss it with you we just published it to the world uh is very odd i think i mean i i spent seven years in post-graduate academia i kind

of know how it works it's not called the ivory tower for nothing but we do have really healthy relations with um a whole bunch of academia in in ethereum i mean really strong relationship with stanford over cryptography and some other stuff um we've got um we we talked last time about the guys who are looking at the consensus mechanism and publishing some um you know attack vectors against the way we do consensus and the these are healthy relationships they discuss the results with us before going public they there's a two-way dialogue um and you know we would never seek to squash anybody's results or or anything you know people academics don't need to

fear engagement with ethereum you know uh we love it but um but this was really odd just these two guys who published this paper claiming that there were 478 slashing violations that happened on the beacon chain uh up till last august and we hadn't detected them we'd only detected like 20 percent of the actual slashings um that had occurred um and that would have meant that first of all that our slashing detection was just not working um and um that people could get away with bad behavior on the beacon chain and go unpunished um it also meant that one of our own validators they identified one of our tecu team validators as one that

should have been slashed and that was scary yeah yeah indeed but um you know by the time i woke up in the morning it was all over i mean it all kicked off about 2am my time and the australians were all over it and um it basically looked into a bunch yeah yeah they looked into a bunch of these alleged events and when we looked at the actual on-chain data from actual beacon nodes they were just not there um so and um uh buddha i think from um beacon chain uh quickly identified an issue with their indexing it's a bit subtle but um we didn't go into it but uh

yeah uh and it just the lesson learned is you know they should have just run this bias last september or whenever they they first discovered it and i said look guys there's something weird here um do you want to give a comment and we could have saved everybody a whole lot of time yeah uh so much of of their effort that went into exploring a bug that yeah i mean so so many different angles on this i like i wonder was it fud was it possible market manipulation is it uh maybe they're they're fans of a different platform um i almost wish and i haven't followed them but i hope they would come back and

say well you know this is this is how it happened um because it definitely is something we'd like to prevent in the future yeah there's um if these were real these 478 slashings that's 20k worth uh dollars worth of um slashing reports there so you know the the one who submits them on chain would would benefits to uh with twenty thousand dollars worth of um ether uh at the time so you know there's one way to prove that if they're if they're real or not the merge is coming mil the kill v2 merge spec is out

another milestone i mean it's um we're just iterating uh slowly just tying up a few loose ends um uh adding some lessons learned from the kiln v1 uh test um nothing really very exciting at all uh in this one it's um nothing consensus related it it's just uh upgrades a couple of things yeah and so uh a lot of a lot of end users a lot of home stakers who maybe don't keep up with this passionately um may not be aware of the need to run a local execution client for the merge and that's because of the new engine api i've said it 50 times

would you mind repeating that the idea behind that yeah so effectively when you're running after the merge uh although architecturally we've got two nodes you've got a consensus client uh an e2 client and you've got a um an execution client in each one client logically they're just one node right they for historical reasons and for convenience and because the software's already there they are two independent components but actually on the network um they are one node and they they cooperate together and they're bound somewhat tightly together by this engine api and so if you want to run a node post

merge an eth2 node it will comprise of two components which you should run together your you know your your teku or your prism or your lighthouse or your nimbus or whatever on the one side and on the other side you're your guest or your best you or your never mind and all those combinations should work but you need to run both i spent a lot of time worrying that some people will just miss this message but historically um there's you know always been one percent of people who didn't get it historically people tend to get up to speed with these things so um i imagine we'll be fine right yeah i i mean your node just won't work after the the merge so i mean you'll find out fairly quickly if if

you're able to participate in the network or not i mean you you're not going to be able to attest to anything uh at the moment if you're not connected to an eat one node then you can't uh produce blocks or you know you um you're in danger of losing blocks and that's very infrequent that might be only two or three months uh interval if you're running one validator um so you might not notice uh but post merge you're not going to be able to do any attestations let never mind uh block proposals if you're not running both so people will will notice very quickly um and i i want to just flag this and put a marker in this because i want to come back to this when we uh talk a bit later about something else um the so this heartbeat thing which is

a middle point here um is something we've put in uh which was one of the inferior engineers actually suggested it um which is we will as people upgrade their clients their their consensus clients before the merge this will become operational and it will check if you've got a local eth onenote that's correctly configured for merge stuff and if you haven't it will warn you uh rather noisily so that will help to encourage people to to to be ready cool great um anyone who has seen these trackers must love them uh that's my requirement the kiln tracker just kind of gives an

update about where everyone is of course teku is leading the pack into milestone two any thoughts here well progress um it looks like a lot of milestones to go but it's not it's not far away i mean we're crunching through them um and we can run so the kiln v2 so the plan is to put public kiln v2 test net make it available uh in the next day or two i think um not really so yeah uh not all so not all clients need to be at milestone two we've sort of found a workaround for that so it will

be um running in the next couple of days and there will no doubt be the full slew of explainers and uh and everything i mean it'll be very similar to joining the original kiln network uh we will shut down the original kill network in due course i don't know what the plan is for that but people will will be encouraged to join kill v2 um and it really needs putting through spaces so you know deploy your adapts um deploy your infrastructure run it send transactions try and break it because this is the last one before we start to get really real this is the last kind of dedicated um encapsulated test net after that we start forking the existing ethereum test nets like roxanne

or wrinkby or whatever um and uh and then um and it's becoming very real at that point awesome uh so east staker and poet definitely plan to put poeps um in the wallets of anyone who runs a kiln validator um you know having been through so many test nets uh well i guess you know there have only been a few public test nets this round uh conservation is the biggest one so far you kind of get test net fatigue this is this is it this is uh something that east aker plans to drop everything and do some intro videos as soon as as soon as kiln public launches so i'm excited about that

yeah and this is the one i think if you if you want some practice about what it looks like running post merge you know this this is the one um you you probably want to uh you know get familiar running your um uh your execution client uh and you and your consensus client combo on this one and the other big checklist uh this is something else that we all want to look forward to look at all of those checked boxes yeah until we get down to testing is pretty much done um the you know the tiny things which are not checked off yet that the between now and merge is all about testing sure great let's see

kiln uh yeah so sooner than i expected it really and i guess on one hand i expected it mid-february on the other hand i expected it you know things never come that soon so it's nice to know we are a few days away yep uh peep and eat what did i oops sorry so yeah this is uh uh yeah so ethereum calculators yeah yeah so uh they do a recording you can join the recording if you ping pooja she will give you the zoom and you can join and do interactive q a but they tend to record and then put it up on the uh ethereum cat herders channel uh i haven't seen this is not out yet it's

not recorded yet but uh i'll put the recording in the next edition and um this this will be probably a bit technical this is marius and perry talking about running the test nets and uh about what they've been doing with the gurley network just doing a copy of it and replaying all the transactions that are happening on gurley um on that and i must say one of the great things recently parry is another superstar uh he's fairly recently joined the ethereum foundation but he's basically taking the full load of um running the test nets and infrastructure i mean he's a he's a devops superstar and he's just kind of automated everything it's uh takes so much load off the individual teams he's also been very uh supportive of each so um anytime we've asked for

something and obviously we're giving back to the community too but he's been incredibly responsive and supportive so uh thanks perry um rocket pool reached one percent that's a great milestone i love it and so yeah i i obviously i talk about rocket pull 24 7. it's trustless open source permissionless to centralize taking on ethereum it's fractional staking so um that's that's great you had mentioned so i did read this nasdaq article um by sephiroth so i i want to i want to run this thought by you and just kind of get you to bounce it off of you

i feel like services like all modes re-centralize the thing we're trying to decentralize is that is that a fair perspective yeah it's a bit uh it's interesting isn't it having um service providers run rocket pool nodes yep i i don't have a lot to say about it i can't really add to your take yeah okay it's not i i'm funny because like i support providers i support small modes i just uh you know my my ultimate goal is network decentralization yeah and so that's what's really on the fence about that one it's a problem with permissionlessness right i mean yeah by design the whole thing is permissionlessness uh is permissionless

my turn um and uh you know you can't stop it i mean so um where there's an opportunity people will will take advantage of it i mean i um i think all notes are superb but you know that's not the point the point is that you know there are potentially big players um in in rocket pool as well um spin up your own nodes use individual nodes and where you say you can't stop it i'm kind of currently i'm in the school that we can stop it that layer zero is the social network that prevents centralization uh and so that's sort of the the thing i'm working on right now we'll see how that goes client diversity on the beacon chain

oh so pulls out of this.cloud i am so so thankful and appreciative you know we spent literally months not having a good picture of um where the client diversity problems were um you know i went to old people's houses and banged on their doors and demanded that they switch from prism to teku and they cried and it was terrible in making this up but eventually you know through this data through thanks to ox and viz and michael sproul we know now that it is primarily the culpability of kraken and coinbase and we do have some public commitments from them now to make

changes so that's exciting yeah um yeah do you want to put up the the site the pools.invis.cloud see what we got there's a lot of red yeah yeah um so coinbase and kraken lido is um while they are a very large provider they're nearing 20 and that's some that's something we want to slow down um their client diversity is beautiful so shout out to lido for that yeah i'm i'd be good to see a status update on their progress towards um decentralizing their their whole uh infrastructure because that was a big thing a few months ago um i'd like to know how they're getting on yeah um and so right now when it comes to providers uh bitcoin swiss is is

really if you have to choose an exchange and i don't want you to stick with an exchange but if you have to um bitcoin swiss is my go-to for the moment oh yeah and running uh taku throughout um a shout out for all nodes as well they're running techy oh good uh let's see jim and robert and attestant uh vouch multi-node validator do you want to say anything about that uh lover testing just really innovative um and uh active in in the space always trying to improve things make things better um jim is uh is brilliant and really uh um throws himself into things so they came up with this um validator

clients now in e2 validator is very simple piece of software um the beaker node is where all the complexity is the validator basically just signs stuff when when it's told to sign stuff um but what a test and did was come up with vouch which is a sort of beacon node agnostic validator client and it can speak to multiple beacon nodes so you can have a prism running a tecu running at nimbus running a lighthouse running a load star running i don't think maybe they don't support load start yet but nimbus is supported as of last week um and what it will do is when it's time to make an attestation it will consult uh beacon nodes and

check that they have the same view of the network and it can you know choose a majority view of the network so if one of them has forked off because of a bug then it won't attest to something which is uh on a fork when it's time to make a block um it can it use heuristics to say what's the most profitable block in this situation you know which one should i choose do all the clients agree on their view of the network and so forth um it's it's very nice and you can configure it with rule sets and that article is is uh a nice explainer how you can for um attestations you can prioritize non-prism clients so uh it's it's a nice it's a nice uh

and there's some subtleties in in the arguments uh there but it's a good uh explainer and i think this is what rocket pool are doing a lot of or a number of the rocket pool providers uh sorry not rocketpool um my bad lido a number of the lido providers are running vouch like this which which just helps with robustness yeah i think vouch is probably a good here now alternative for people who are really obsessed with dvt kind of stuff because vouch is currently available and it does give you that kind of i don't want to call it it's not an m of in but it does let you run multiple clients and choose the the best data to submit

yeah yeah testament also has a key splitting thing i forget what they call it but you can also split your key into multiple parts in multiple locations and do a reconstruction when it's time to vote which is another security yep yep it's all um all open sources all on the on the um either jim's websites or that i can't remember but yeah yeah um so yeah i jim has always been very supportive i look forward to us uh actually eastaker has a plan to get with them and demo um dirk and vouch so i'm very excited for that rated.network i i wanted to chat about this too what are your thoughts um this is a good start uh so it's um under development uh but i've been

corresponding a bit with elias and the other guy who's built this and um yeah it's all about surfacing what's actually going on so mashing up the data i mean there are various efforts around this but this this is quite nice and the best thing is they've got an api so you can interrogate the the database um the the front end um is not the most usable yet but it's showing some good info and then the api is very flexible and you can pull down data so it's relative performance and there's lots of docs about how the effectiveness rating is calculated so you can compare how different staking pools and services

are are doing in terms of running so you can see anchor there down like two thirds of the way down is like 81.45 which is typical um cream.finance is 77 so you know run away are you are you getting that from ethereum pools the twitter because i know they they picked out specifically recently yeah well it's consistent right with this view of the world and it's all on chain data um i mean some of identifying who the operators are isn't always all on chain uh though quite a lot of it is because you can trace back the deposit address you can see which wallet it came from and so on but um all of the performance information is just on chain there's no secret source anybody with a node can can dig out this

info but to have it presented um in an easy to consult format is is a game changer so my take on this and so i do view it as a positive product um i i don't have any any negative thoughts about it but i do in some ways wonder if it misses the forest for the trees the the forest is is really just network health um and so network health is more than just uptime and proposals it really is uh re resiliency robustness decentralization um and so if there were hypothetically one very centralized provider on aws and uh they

they could hypothetically put up a hundred percent effectiveness um but that wouldn't necessarily make them the they would be highest rated but it wouldn't make them the best provider similarly you could have you know a a decentralized network of what's a thousand ten thousand validators around the world and they're only up 70 of the time but they do contribute more to network health than that centralized provider does that yeah um i i think it's it's a fair point but you know this is just surfacing data

right i mean i i and it's a data point and you've brought in some other data points and we need to uh it's all part of getting a clear of the whole network so um i i'm really happy with um surfacing data transparency being able to see what's going on i mean what you mention is when the metric becomes the target then uh then we have problems you know this is a problem everywhere right but uh i think being able to measure my compare the performance of my nodes against you know how the staking bulls are doing i that's great i love it so you i think you hit when the metrics

become the target so if the target here is 100 effective rating regardless of the underlying infrastructure then it's it's a missed target from the outset so so i think these guys are looking to sort of crowdsource data from you know other setups and things so that you we can it can populate as comprehensive a view of the network uh as uh as it can um and then encourage people to uh use the data to to present in creative ways do you know anything about this i know nothing interesting to me obviously augur is the prediction market platform that i haven't seen a lot of lately i'm not sure it's still active but it is still active i think but anyway kicked off a conversation about staking

ux a thing that i love to talk about yeah that's that's obviously it's in there i hadn't noticed i hadn't noticed that you know tim says what do you think the optimal interface looks like um and i love little rocket man on both of these uh responses a stake button and unstake button i'm i'm in favor of that um tim responds that that's lido and no i i don't believe that's that's lido uh i think we're referring at least i'm thinking of in this case solo staking that solo staking should be that simple not not provider based uh staking and then

oh let me extend that one one more time and then i will uh and so this is my favorite one download the app connect the wallet click save leave the computer on and click on steak a year later that is ux as i see it yeah and that's exactly the tweet that i wanted to kind of like um come to uh uh on on this conversation because um and i i gotta be really careful about how i put this because i'm gonna upset people right but i i don't think staking should be that easy um so i i need to unpack that because um the protocol is paying you right you're providing a service to the um protocol

part of that payment is opportunity cost of the stake teeth right you could be getting some um a return on d5 from it or something like that instead it's in the e3 protocol but another part of it is the paying you for some activity for doing something and that activity is not pushing a button and then pushing another button and then going away and leaving it that activity is maintaining a node making decisions like which node should i run which we talked to earlier so i put the pin in it earlier about we're coming up to a point in time where people have got to make decisions about running eth1 nodes

with their e2 nodes uh and you know a bunch of us will need to actually do something about that which is not covered by pushing a button um you need to maintain your clients you need to make you be present on the discords of your client uh provider because it's fine when the network's running smoothly now but where you really earn your reward is when something goes wrong right and we saw this on the test now it's this madashia testing i've got a poe because i'm a modasha resuscitator right uh it was hard keeping the thing running was hard we had to update our clients several times we had to know what's going on the um people running prism at the time were told to update their clients they were told to not

update their clients and you know it it was complicated and i am worried about people who think oh i can get a nice return let's push this button and go away and forget all about it they're not serving the network they're not earning their money and so i i think there should be a little bit of a technical barrier to to staking and if you don't have that technical barrier then you know state with rocket pool because you get the um you know use a third party push the buttons for them they do have the competence at least i hope they do and uh and you're you're running decentralized my rebuttal to that would be like

complexity is generally engineered away in complex products um so like you know my my tesla pretty much drives itself they've abstracted away a lot of the effort of driving it um in the same way you know rocket pull is abstracted along with away a lot of the difficulty the other extreme of that would say if you're going to run a validator you have to be able to write a validator client on your on your own and run it so i need to uh you know pull up a a uh whatever a cli write a validator and then deploy it because that's the only way i can contribute to the network so we have those two extremes i do agree that there should be some

effort involved but when it comes to things that can be engineered away and automated uh i do think that there is significant value to that um things like i i don't believe in four or five years when the network has settled down that we'll be talking about clients a lot i think that good interfaces will probably have they'll be able to measure network traffic or hit an api and say this is this is the client i should be running right now but yeah they're both sides um yep yeah it'd be interesting to see how it uh uh how it plays out my fear is that is that it continues to increase in complexity and sort of kicks out

filed coin is actually a great example of this um i spent two weeks trying to set up a file coin miner and just gave up like i just i couldn't do it um and so because of that i was i was sort of left out of the filecoin system i i hope that doesn't happen for people who want to stake on ethereum yeah i did look at filecoin and um i realized i'd have to invest in some serious hardware so i ran away yeah i mean it's finally balanced right and i i don't and you know people are going to take a different different views from me but um uh on this but i i think it is worth thinking about right it's coming back to

your layer zero ultimately is people who are responsible for making this this thing work and if people are not going to be responsible they're just going to like press button and go away then um then it's not going to work yeah fair fair point uh great explainers follow yetic on uh on twitter if you if you uh have any inner nerd he is superb he just has um every few weeks he'll just put it put down a little thread which is um explains some obscure corner of what's going on in the beacon chain or nimbus i just love them yes um i haven't read that yet but i do look forward to reading it

uh thank you this is what i guess you were finishing this last uh recording before we started uh and i know it fried your brain uh yeah i'm gonna have to watch it again but uh it's important stuff yeah i think um in the evolving ethereum roadmap uh we it's fascinating how how it develops you know somebody will drop a new idea and it's just obviously so good that we will that within a couple of weeks yeah exactly within such a great moment within a couple of weeks we you know everybody has said oh yeah yeah that makes complete sense we're going to do it and um it happened about the merge it

happened about the roll-up centric road map i mean it's just sort of um some ideas are just so obvious do you think why didn't we think of it before do you do you think about zeitgeist much do you is that you know the spirit of the times like there are so many great minds coming together on something and sharing information that at some point someone's going to have the idea that everyone would have eventually come to but someone got there first yeah and you know it shows how sort of futile you know that nice neat three-phase road map that we had phase zero phase one phase two uh a couple of years ago four years ago you know it made sense at the time but yeah it was

never gonna last because uh you just cannot see that far ahead there's so much um uh good stuff out there and great ideas coming along if you don't pick a direction and aim and start traveling in that direction you never get where you're going that that's a fascinating dynamic about ethereum you've got to kind of build on research alongside each other and they play off each other and um that's one of the reasons i i just love being part of this this is something a lot of people are interested in validator balance withdrawals during shanghai and there there are a couple ideas around this uh i think the good news is just that

by early 2023 people should expect to be able to take gains from uh their state uh validators yep yep uh definitely it's uh basically non-negotiable at this point that soon-ish after the merge six months or so uh we will have some uh withdrawals in some form or another so uh there are there are multiple ways it can be done that's the current um conversation just what what's ergonomically and um technically the best solution now i did look at this and i have no i'm like maybe i should just gloss over it because i i don't even know where to uh where to begin uh yeah so this is

vitalik looking at inner product arguments there's an alternative to kzg commandments this is just a vitalik thought experiment i don't think we will do this um but uh it is incredibly productive just amazing what he just pumps out um off the top of his head seemingly so yeah if you want a a primer on inner product arguments which don't require a trusted setup then then check it out but i think we will probably end up with the kcg commitment can i tell you occasionally i'm like okay metallic has written something like this and i'm like all right fizz i'm going to buckle down and i'm going to read this and research

until i really really get it no like it now it's not it's not going to happen i'm just like let's give up dude it's it's not there for me um okay so what is this uh kiln the tesla is coming up sooner rather than later looking forward to i don't want to say this week but possibly yeah it should be this what we agreed on thursday last week at the um uh on the call um so i think parry said it it set things up it checked with the team so we'd all done the name changes required and then spin it up either uh tomorrow or wednesday looking forward to it dev connect isn't april

i i hear you're going i am going to be there all being well um should be there for the week yeah it looks like the pandemic is is giving everyone a break um my family is is still we're hunkered down so i won't be crossing the pond but uh other world events may prevent some members of the team uh joining unfortunately all of european airspace is currently closed to russian flights so mikhail who's chief architect of the merge is going to be ever maybe he can take the train i don't know so my sister once took the trans-siberian express from uh um somewhere near where mikhail lives to

moscow and it it literally looked took four and a half days so i don't yeah it may not be worth it right um we'll see hopefully you can join remotely some stuff coming up uh bitcoin is publishing italics writings which is exciting i i love kevin o'keefe everything he does it's uh it's just have you heard his green pill um yeah i listened to the one with um i listened to the one with vitalik today and the one with carl flush i listened to yesterday so yeah great really good they're they're really um so that's where i consider myself i

consider myself in that public goods for decentralization kind of framework and hearing those just really inspires me to like keep going it's like it is it is not always rewarding but it is a good direction so i i love what they what they've got going on yeah gree green pill was that a was that a term you were familiar with before or is that something he's invented i believe he's invented it um it's based on shout out to kevin for always coming up with a new meme that i won't figure out until a year later uh yeah i'm intrigued by that book i i hadn't heard about it before it just popped up on my radar this week but uh um there's also somebody who'll be writing some uh

commentary on vitalik's um uh writings which um i i didn't record there but on the page you can pre-register for a book you can donate some eth to pre-register for an nft something going on there it's a bit intriguing because i looked at it and it was 0.1337 eth and only one person had done it and they'd got it they'd got in for much less than that but every time i tried to send less it said minimum is 0.1337 so i think they might have fixed something there but um i'm curious about that now i thought i'd try and break it but

failed so this this leads me to a question um and it's it's about another client i don't think there's any conflict of interest here but um lodestar's on ethereum's bug bounty program and zap lions ssc implementation i'm curious if or when we should expect to see lodestar on the launch pad is that something that's is it on the horizon or is it something that's uh maybe just not a goal i i don't know i don't know um load star is fully mainnet cable they are running on on mainnet um it's not i as i understand it from from the team it's not their primary focus to be a

sort of production staking client their primary focus is to uh provide tooling um light client support which is you know just super important uh you're running a light client in the browser that can trustlessly access um ethereum uh data on the network you know it basically uh cuts out inferior that that's that their focus um i don't know where they are from a sort of product point of view or how that uh relates to the launch pad or not yeah okay so i'm really excited to see their their full setup guide i i think if i can find 32 ether in the couch i might uh

set up a uh a load star validator yeah i i just i'm so interested in it uh but i'm also not quite ready my standard has always been wait till it shows up on launchpad before promoting it i have a have a chat with the team they're super approachable oh yeah yeah good folks all right i think that's about it i don't i didn't catch it here um but we did give a a poet for anyone who ran a kitsuki validator so if you're listening to this and you you ran a katsugi uh validator if you if you load that private key um from your i guess for me it's in secret.env i'm not sure how other people set it up but if you load the private key from

your deposit address into uh meta mask uh you can then go to it's a block scan chat or you can use the ether scan chat um and connect with that address and and you should have been delivered a a poep mint code for that consumer which i think is is really cool uh thanks to wizard of hex for creating that and it's it's great i like i love i love supporting these people who go out of their way to support a test net yeah yeah brilliant good stuff all right um what's long evils of fascism yeah um i i almost i'm trying not to talk about

world events and at some level i almost feel like it is um it's irresponsible not to talk about them because people are suffering and if if we choose to ignore it then we're part of the problem um but it's also kind of overwhelming yeah and uh i i have all sorts of mixed feelings about crypto in general but at the root of it there is um something very solid which is the um permissionlessness of it um and i i kind of surprised myself at this stage in my life you know that i find i'm very passionate about this um that it is about freedom uh ultimately

and and freedom is a good um it can be used for bad but fundamentally people are better when they are free and so yep i was uh it was good to be reminded of all that there's a lot of noise around but you know ultimately for me this is this is why i crypto uh well ben um i love doing this with you like i said before we started recording sometimes these become a slog but uh it is actually becoming a highlight of my week so um that's kind yeah it'd be nice to do this on a couple of leather arm chairs with a kind of bear each in a nice old english pub but one day maybe one day

yes i look forward to that thanks again for your time all right thanks i never know how to use zoom i gotta stop recording somehow let's find this