Staking withdrawals FAQ, Aave v3 coming to mainnet - The Daily Gwei Refuel #528 - Ethereum Updates

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hello everyone and welcome to another episode of The Daily gray refuel where he kept the latest news in the ethereum ecosystem I'm your host Dan this is Sana and has the 25th of January 2023. all right everyone let's get into it so apologies for missing the episode on a Friday everyone kind of ran out of time to get it recorded then but obviously I'm back today and I'll try and do a longer episode to make up for it there was a bunch of things over the weekend that I want to get through so let's get into it I'll start with this all core devs call recap from Tim baiko his normal recap thread here which I'm sure a lot of you have seen already but if you haven't it'll be linked in the YouTube description below and the main points from this uh can be found in the

agenda as usual you can see what the what that what they were scheduled to talk about uh the main agenda was the updates on Shanghai updates on eof which I've talked about before uh and a few announcements here and there and there's also some comments in here for you to check out too but as I said the thread itself will be linked in the YouTube description below now related to Shanghai of courses withdrawals which is another thing Tim baiko posted about over the weekend uh where the core Dev team has released a withdrawals FAQ so basically if you have wanted to understand how withdrawals are going to work once they're deployed onto the ethereum mainnet well this is the FAQ for you this is basically your Bible you won't get a more comprehensive uh set of information than you will in this and one thing that I wanted to kind of point

out to everyone to make it clear is that there's actually going to be two types of withdrawals as these kind of answered here the first type is what's called partial withdrawals and the second type is full withdrawals now partial withdrawals are quite ingenious I actually like how this has been designed so basically any balances in excess of 32ef AKA any rewards that have been earned on your 32 8th are withdrawn to an ethereum dress and can be spent immediately the validator will continue to be part of the beacon chain and validate as expected now from my understanding what how this happens is that every week on average your validator will be rotated through and your rewards will be swept to your withdrawal address so let's say for that week you earn at 0.18 right for the week

on a validator uh because you've gotten a nice juicy block that point one eighth will uh well okay no I should I should backtrack there if it's the execution layer rewards those will be already paid out to your withdrawal address this is just [ __ ] census layer rewards so let's just say for the sake of argument you've earned 0.1 consensus 0.1 each worth of consensus layer rewards that will be swept to your withdrawal address automatically you don't have to withdraw it yourself there are no gas fees associated with this it is simply a balance change on ethereum uh which is actually pretty cool because there were some concerns around gas costs on layer one and people saying you know this price is out smaller stakers and and and what if the gas prices keep going up it becomes uneconomical and then you have

to wait to withdraw well this is actually how it's going to work or for rewards and as I mentioned execution layer rewards are already automatically paid out to your withdrawal address that you set uh when you spin up your validators now the second uh way that withdrawals are done is via a full withdrawal now this is when a validator exits and stops validating on the beacon chain the entire balance a 32 either principle and any consensus layer rewards of the validator is then unlocked and allowed to be spent after the exit and withdrawal mechanism is complete now one thing I should note here is that due to the partial withdrawals uh having a different mechanism to activate those withdrawals inbuilt in the beacon chain it basically just Cycles through on average uh each

week with and that obviously gets longer with the amount of validators uh that get added to the network but right now I believe it's about a week with full withdrawals you go through the normal withdrawal queue that's already built into the beacon chain and there's obviously that deposit queue for the other way around um but that's if you want to exit and stop validating so the partial withdrawals are only for the consensus layer rewards it will not automatically withdraw you from the beacon chain it won't uh unstake your 32 eighth but full withdrawals are not done automatically it is a manual thing where you basically say to the beacon chain hey I want to stop validating I want to withdraw my eighth and then you'll go through the exit and withdrawal process those are two different phases by the way the exit is exiting the validator set and then

you have to uh also withdraw if you want to get your 32 eighth uh uh back from there and obviously your rewards but that's just the main thing I wanted to highlight but there are plenty of other uh questions and answers here in the FAQ so I highly recommend checking it out if you're curious about how withdrawals are going to work because they really are around the corner I believe still late marches kind of what it's scheduled for early April we're expecting uh public test Nets within the next few weeks I think uh the devnets have been going well uh there was a little bit of fun actually I I saw in posted in the daily grade Discord Channel about uh the court developers or or some core developers and researchers disagreeing about some technical thing I've got to do with withdrawals on the call and for some

reason it was spun into some sort of thud uh but then it was later clarified by the core developers themselves that it was it was nothing um to be concerned about it was literally just an implementation thing that got ironed out and it's not going to you know it's it's nothing critical or anything like that and this is usually what happens on these calls so it's just weird to see that article and that it came out of decrypt and I I've always been weirded out by the articles that the Crypt puts out because decrypt is uh you know tends to fund ethereum with these just low quality articles from time to time and decrypt is actually owned by consensus and consensus is an ethereum company so it's just it's very weird right how that happens but yeah anyway I just wanted to clear that up for anyone who saw that

fud from over the weekend there um but yeah I'll link this FAQ in the YouTube description for you to go check out all right so a few fixes went live on the uh kzg ceremony website over the weekend that will make your I guess like ability to participate a lot uh better than has previously been there's been a lot of people complaining that they're being timing out uh they've been uh basically uh unable to complete the kcg ceremony well uh now according to Trent Van Epps this fixes that and yeah if we go to the kzg ceremony a website we can actually see uh you know we've got 49 days left of the ceremony and we're at almost 17 000 total contributions with about 2 000 participants in the lobby and a 100 hour max estimated wait time

as I said before this Lobby is not a queue right it is not something that you have to wait in and it's not something you're going to lose your spot in if you have to show your computer down or you have to close the web page or disconnect for any reason uh you're randomly selected from this Lobby to participate or to get your I guess uh uh proof put on chain here so uh basically uh yeah you've still got 49 days left to do this uh and I'm glad to say that there's been some fixes put there for people who I guess were complaining that they weren't able to get their um their proofs in here all right so we have a new kind of video here from Ben Edgington which is the scaling ethereum and EIP 4844 recording so it's called ethereum's first step

towards serious scalability slash erp4844 uh this comes out of the ethereum engineering group and it is run by Ben Edgington who for those of you who don't know used to write the what's new in H2 newsletter he stopped that around the time of the merge uh it was the best resource for I guess what was known as E2 ever basically uh and they're also and he's basically also still working on quote unquote eth2 as part of the teku uh fe2 clients and there are slides that you can uh get access to as well here as you can see uh that accompany the video and these slides go through everything there is to know about 4844 slash Proto dank sharding so if you're interested in that

you can check out the video and the slides yeah and there's also other videos on the ethereum Engineering Group our YouTube channel you can check out too you can see yeah uh there's a bunch of them here and then you can click through the videos and go through so if you're up for learning about I guess the intricacies of all things ethereum this is a great YouTube channel to go check out as well but yeah those will be linked in the YouTube description below for you to check out all right so I guess the talk of the last few days uh and months before this was about digital currency groups uh Genesis subsidiary which was a lending desk that became very troubled over the last few months especially uh when it came to the money that it owed Gemini

and I think you guys have been following this for as long as I have this came from the Fallout of uh I guess the whole stuff that happened last year like 3ac and Terra and FTX and all that stuff there well over the weekend it was announced that uh Genesis uh Global has filed for bankruptcy protection they have they haven't fight so there are different types of kind of bankruptcy protection that you can file for it seems they've filed for one that I don't know isn't like I I saw some wording around this so basically it's they're trying their hardest not to go like the full bankruptcy route they're trying to maintain control still over certain things and trying to keep the business kind of afloat here uh but yeah I'm not sure what their kind of plan is long

term for this but on top of this as well I remember I said I guess a few months ago or a couple months ago that I figured that Genesis would try everything they could to uh ensure that they didn't file for bankruptcy because bankruptcy is not something that you want to be filing for as a as a company uh but it seems like the debt that they owed the hole in their balance sheet just got way too big and there wasn't any way for them to raise the money that they needed now I remember there was talk about them trying to raise up to a billion dollars then they collapsed that down to 500 million I think they had a fair bit of interest at that uh at that raise but the problem was is I think they owe a 2.8 billion dollars or something uh worth of um worth of debt

there and to cover that obviously it became impossible right so because of that they had to file for bankruptcy uh bankruptcy protection and it also seems like they're planning to sell off other assets a day being digital currency group because they need to cover that shortfall there so it's going to be interesting to see how that shakes out and who they pay back first I hope they pay Genesis back first because it like the Genesis uh debt is actually owed to the users that were part of the earned program as I've explained before and they got really hurt by this because they thought that they were putting money into a fully legit regulated uh kind of product and it turns out uh even though it was fully legit and regulated uh the fact of the matter is the yield was only coming from lending those

assets out and this is something that I think a lot of people don't understand is that any kind of yield that you're getting with a C5 Service uh especially if except a kind of staking yield um like sorry yield on dollars for example with uh with a centralized service a centralized crypto service 99 of the time it's going to be them lending out those assets and then the borrower paying an interest rate uh which basically goes to paying the yield for you uh and there are other ways to do that as well with coconut token incentives but generally these centralized Services that's how they operate it and you know it works during a bull market don't get me wrong and everyone's making money it's very easy for people to borrow large amounts of money and get and get the sorry borrow

large amounts of money with Littleton or little bits of collateral or no collateral in some cases right because the people lending out the assets think that it's a sure thing they're going to get paid back everything's going to be fine and then users plowing to the product because it's offering a relatively high yield and then we see what happens you know it's kind of funny because when you think about the people who got screwed in crypto a lot of them actually came from people who sold right they sold out of crypto because they turned bearish on it they took profits but they still they stayed in something like a UST and then Terra collapse right so they got wiped out or they stayed in a usdc or another stable coin or a centralized stable coin and they put that into one of these centralized Services whether that be blockify

Celsius or or Gemini for example and they got screwed as well because of the fact of the matter is you're only getting that yield because your money's being lent out and that's where that kind of uh I guess that saying comes from that if you don't know where the yields coming from you are the yield because I mean that is true your funds are being used to generate the yield right so you are the yield at the end of the day um and it's the same way Banks do it too I mean uh uh in the US at least banks are only required to hold 10 I believe of assets on hand and maybe even less than that whereas they could lend out or do whatever they want with the other 90 of it and that is also how they're able to generate um a kind of a yield for you because

they're making more Returns on that I mean a lot of the reasons why Banks take your money in is because they do stuff with the money right they don't want to just they they don't want your money just to hold it right they want to be able to generate a yield on it uh or generate a return on it in some capacity as well there so so yeah but banks are obviously extremely heavily regulated much more than uh I guess like crypto exchanges especially offshore ones are in these lending desks but even they have like collapsed before like 2008 financial crisis was was completely Bank lit I mean crypto didn't exist uh during that period right so it was all led by the traditional Finance system but this is always what happens when you have Daisy chains of Leverage and different lending markets not accounting for where

the money is and where it's going and then lending out to people who take big risks and on the market and and kind of the market crashes and they get caught on the wrong side of it that's really what's happened over the last 12-ish months in crypto is we had this massive unwind of all the leverage that had built up during the bull market and it's typically the case that this happens during bull markets because as I said the money is Flowing pretty easily uh and it's it's quite easy to borrow money especially when it's cheap too like when rates are really low it's also very very easy to get your hands on debt so to speak right so from that perspective we're just we're just unwinding all the the froth now can this happen again I mean yes it will happen again and it can

happen again and especially with things like D5 like D5 is not uh is not something that is immune to this it's actually a big part of this as well and sometimes the centralized Services would actually take the user funds and deposit it into a D5 app and generate yield like that or generate some kind of return like that but a lot of the times the D5 apps you own the the yield the majority of the yield was the um the token incentives right and then once they run out the yield goes down and the token can death spiral and basically go down 90 plus percent uh but on top of that as well the the bull market means that more people want to borrow more amounts of money which means that the the cost of borrowing money goes up if there's not enough liquidity going around uh on

chain and then you get those those crazy kind of spikes in the uh in the returns there in the yield there but at the end of the day these things don't last forever and that's exactly why we saw the unwind and and it's it's a pretty violent unwind as well over the last 12 months because so many big players blew up I mean there's really not that many big players left standing uh especially the The Lending desks right and the and the um the the market makers and things like that the of the centralized exchanges you know most of them are still around but we don't really have that many big legit ones right we have the coinbase we have a coinbases of the world World obviously we have Kraken binance and even binance I mean has its Shady aspects as well uh but people

thought FTX was this great legit thing and then obviously it wasn't people thought Tara was this infinite money machine that wasn't Celsius I always thought Celsius was shady I don't know why anyone trusted Celsius turns out that was that was shady too blackfy got wrecked there were a few others that got wrecked out there and it was just that daisy chain at the end of the day because all this thing was co-mingled I've seen a picture or a flowchart on Twitter about this where it was all co-mingled together there was arrows going from everywhere to everywhere everyone borrowed from everyone and as the market turned the they because they were offside and in the wrong position because they may have fell for the narrative such as super cycle and things like that they got caught off guard and it led to the bleed out and just on just

to finish up here on the narrative front as well I think that it's important to realize that just because these companies and these individuals may have a lot more money than you just because they may be billionaires doesn't mean that they are better than you investing in trading doesn't mean that they know more than you and I think the perfect example of this is three hours Capital right they managed to convince themselves that the super cycle was a real thing and a lot of people got convinced by this a lot of people fell for the soccer flow charts a lot of people fell for all these bull uh Market narratives right and that was the downfall of 3ac they got caught offside they bet too big and they didn't kind of hedge their bets and they basically blew themselves up right same happened with

SPF and FTX and Alameda they did the exact same thing and what's what's hilarious about what happened with FTX and Alameda is that they had every single advantage to win they basically rigged the entire game to favor themselves and stole customer deposits and they still lost so I think that anyone who's basically kept their money they made from the previous ball cycle should feel very good about themselves because you outperformed most of these people so just because they have more money than you just because they it seems like they know more than you that's not necessarily true there are definitely smart people out there definitely a lot of people who have made a lot of money in crypto and kept it and can and can kind of uh see the shifts in narratives for what they really are and

not fall for them but usually these people are quiet they're not out there bragging about their wins they're out there running huge companies or inflating their own ego and I know a lot of these people personally uh and a lot of them you wouldn't even have ever heard of before uh but I talked to them and they they think very similarly to how I think about things on a on a longer time scale uh and they and not one of them has an ego I think ego is a downfall of a lot of people not just in crypto but outside of of crypto especially in financial markets because you start convincing yourself of your own [ __ ] and that's what happened a lot in in 2021 all right all these big players convince themselves of their own [ __ ] uh things like super cycle as I

mentioned and then in 2022 we saw that all unravel and blow up there but at the end of the day you also have to there is also blame in the people that inflate these people's egos because they they want to believe that it's true because they want to make money that's just the way things go and I think it's going to remain that way forever because humans don't change like for humans to evolve uh and biologically would take an extremely long time and when you look at human history and and the history of I guess financial markets it's not that old comparative to how long it took humans to actually come into existence and then uh from there to evolve so maybe in a in a million years of human evolution our nature changes or maybe we upload our Consciousness to machines and

get rid of that those shitty parts of our of our nature that allow us to fall into these things but yeah now I'm going into sci-fi territory so I'm going to leave that one at that uh and yeah as I said I'm not surprised to see Genesis file for bankruptcy but they did try everything they could to to not file for it because they know just how ugly it can get all right so I've spoken about this on the refill before but it's a tweet that I put out over the weekend where I said remember when everyone was going on about how the seven day withdrawal period for optimistic Roll-Ups was a quote-unquote non-starter well no one talks about it at all these days because it was abstracted away via Bridges an Armature and optimism are the two biggest layer Eco two layer two ecosystems by far now I will note here

that this seven day withdrawal period as I've said before is not a strict requirement this can be lowered and this can be lowered pretty much like to a block like to 12 seconds you just have to have relative confidence that you could catch any fraud in that one block right and obviously um both arbitrary and optimism is still very centralized optimism's fraud proofs aren't even enabled arbitrimps fraud proofs are permissioned so that's not gonna happen but the main point of my tweet here was that again on the narrative front where people will come up with these narratives to be bearish on something the seven day withdrawal period fud came a lot from the alt L1 fans because they needed to spread bear fud about layer 2 is because layer 2 is directly compete with these alternative layer ones as

I've described before as the same way that the Bitcoin maximalists have to spread fight about absolutely everything we've got to do with ethereum because every success that ethereum has is a negative for Bitcoin at least in my mind and I feel like bitco maximalists understand this as well so whenever you see this fud I guess like all these narrow this narrative fud keep changing and the goal posts keep moving it's not substantial it's not something based in reality or fact or reason it's really just fun at the end of the day now there was legitimate concern around this withdrawal period in terms of fragment and liquidity and uh users having a bad experience and all that sorts of stuff I think in terms of the user experience we've definitely fixed or obstructed away almost all of it with Bridges right because people just use the bridges

they're happy to pay the small fee to do so for the convenience but in terms of fragments on liquidity we're not there yet we have fragmented that liquidity across the l2s and there's no way to actually uh besides using something like Aztec there's no way to uh bring liquidity I guess in a composable way from Arbitrage optimism for example and as I've described before these mechanisms of being able to get these layer twos to talk to each other now there are a few projects working on this there was two that I've highlighted before stockware had their Damm that they were working on I think that might have fizzled out a little bit there's also Rari that was working on Nova I believe the Rari project also fizzled out uh and then there was one that I came across recently that I think I

highlighted on the refill called Herodotus uh I don't know if I did highlight it but I came across a thread about it uh but basically they're trying to do that where essentially they're trying to use something called uh storage proofs in order to do cross-roll-up communication then you also have dank sharding which allows for cross ZK roll-up communication and composability which uh Justin Drake has talked about before and I think paulinear as well has talked about it so there are these mechanisms coming online to solve that issue as well but in terms of the user experience side of things I really do think we've obstructed away if not solved all of that at this point and as I said before I don't expect there to be that many generalized L2 platforms anyway so the fragmentation of liquidity isn't going to be that big of a deal as

long as we have these Bridges but I think that uh layer one's still going to be used uh for for a lot of those reasons as well because layer one gives you that composability right gives you that autonomous City and if you're a whale the liquidity is there for you and you don't mind paying the fees so you're going to stick to layer one and the smaller fish will go to these layer twos and there will be enough liquidity for them there anyway but this cross roll-up communication whether it's done by our you know dank sharding whether it's done via storage proofs or other such Technologies that's going to be a thing as well it's going to be a thing people are going to use because it's going to be very useful to be able to essentially tap into liquidity Acro on any of these

layer twos even if they aren't roll ups they could just be validium type constructions as well where they're storing their data off chain it doesn't really matter as long as you can get a storage proof of that from the data availability committee or maybe from like an eigenlayer data availability layout as well which I've talked about before would be very very cool that would help with this a lot too so yeah I just wanted to touch on that and give some updates around things that I'm seeing lately but again it is a not it's always been a non-concern to me it's not something that I see users complaining about at all anymore and I think that as time goes on it's going to become more and more abstracted away and we're going to build better and better ways of dealing with this I guess like quote

unquote issue here all right so some updates on D5 actually three defy related updates to close out today's episode so uni swap put out a uh I guess little mini thread here talking about what permit 2 is and now that it's live on uni swap so what permit permit 2 allows uh users to do is that users currently approve Max token balances uh forever which is a security risk right when you go to approve a token you approve the entire balance forever so essentially if you say uh when you go to UNI stop and you're trading a new token it says approve this token you basically approve the unlimited amount of tokens in your account to be spent Forever on uni swap now with permit 2 token expire

a token approvals will expire every 30 days but can be reauthorized with a gasless signature so what's really cool about this is that you get the security of an expiring token approval right uh and but then you can reauthorize it when you say say you haven't traded that token for 30 days and then you go back to UNI Swap and it asks you to read authorize the token approval you don't have to do another transaction that costs you gas all you have to do is use a signature to reauthorize that token there so that is really really cool I I think that's uh that that's a huge ux upgrade for users and how this is practical for uni swap is that every time that unisop Labs upgrades the router uh users have to spend gas to reapprove tokens but they don't have to

do that anymore because we permit to you'll need to re approve now but never again so spend small uh spend small for big savings later and permit to his open source as well for developers here to check out but these are the kind of small-ish ux improvements uh I guess like smallish upgrades that can lead to massive ux improvements across the board and permit 2 has been out for a little while now um and I believe unisop I guess uh talked about this a while ago and I don't know how long it's been live but I I think it was a relatively recent thing that they deployed here but it's a big deal it definitely is a big deal because I hated having to it essentially worry about which tokens I had approved and then uh I guess we broke that

approval and then go back and approve it again if I wanted to trade on unisop right uh so no longer do you have and then spend the gas to do that well no longer you do you have to do that I have to worry about it it'll automatically expire after 30 days and can be reauthorized with a gasless signature which is very cool from a user experience perspective so kudos to UNI swap for deploying that there all right so Ave V3 is finally coming to the ethereum mainnet this is funny because I've talked about how other V3 actually wasn't on the ethereum mainnet but was on layer twos and other evm chains and that is changing uh very very soon so other V3 was actually deployed on uh layer 2 such as Arbitrage and optimism and other chain other AVM

chains such as the polygon POS chain and Avalanche in March of 2022 so almost a year on now we have a proposal to launch Ave V3 on the ethereum mainnet here so there's only really been other V2 on mainnet so far so this proposal is currently up for vote so if you do have R there you can vote with it here uh if you want to and you can read through the proposal at all the specs and all the um the reserve configurations and and things like that as well which I'll obviously Link in the YouTube description below but I do find it interesting that it's taken almost a year from when they deployed they being the I guess other community deployed this to these other evm chains for it to come to the ethereum mainnet uh and I do believe that's because they wanted to

test out V3 maybe on I guess these uh these other chains and give the small users an ability to test it all out and get use out of it and maybe it just wasn't that large and and also the other V2 actually wasn't deployed to these other some of these other trains as well so it made sense just to deploy V3 straight there whereas on ethereum mainnet obviously either V2 is already deployed there so waiting wasn't that big of a deal and if people wanted to use V3 they could just go to one of these other chains to do that well now well soon I guess it's not deployed just yet but soon it looks like V3 will be deployed to the ethereum mainnet for you all to enjoy so yeah definitely go checked out this proposal for yourself it'll be linked in the YouTube

description below all right an update out of the synthetics ecosystem so quenta here put out a tweet where they've said we've recently seen some of our biggest volume days on synthetics perps V2 and we're still in Alpha mode new features are coming that will rewrite the perps game entirely so much potential you can test out the alpha here now I did I did talk about purpose V2 a little while ago and how that was live and Quincy is obviously the front end or one of the front ends of the synthetics ecosystem so yeah if you're interested in trying this out this will be linked in the YouTube description the alpha you can test it out here basically it links you to this page uh on the eth dot limo so this is actually on a decentralized front end here which is very very cool uh and you can trade

the perps to your heart's content on a bunch of different assets I believe oh no they support E3 now because this is an alpha stage but obviously they want to be able to uh to support other assets as time goes on and this is deployed on optimism L2 so yeah if you want um to try this out you'll have to be on optimism it's not on ethereum mainnet because synthetics basically migrated all their ecosystem to the uh to optimism rather than the ethereum mainnet here so I'll link that in the YouTube description for you to check out all right last thing I wanted to talk about before we wrap up uh for today just to give you guys a heads up so I am I've been trying to plan more of my East Denver trip recently uh I'm going to be

attending uh I'm gonna be there from the 27th of March to this sorry 27th of February to the 6th of March uh so if you're around around definitely you'll be able to catch me at the 8th Denver I guess um Main Event itself which is on the weekend but there's gonna be side events I'm hoping to see a lot of you there but just want to give a heads up that the period that I'm there for uh there won't be refuels on those days I don't believe I'm gonna have enough time or energy to record refuels given that I'm going to spend the whole day at the you know conference conference talking to people meeting up with people for for dinner and lunch and all that stuff I mean my time's already getting real scarce um so yeah I'm just giving you guys a heads up now that for those dates uh I

don't know which which dates are weekends in in those dates there's not going to be uh refuels there I will try and maybe do one episode during that week just depending if I have time to do it and if I have the bandwidth to be able to upload an episode by just giving you a heads up there but also on that note uh the people that were in the daily wear Discord channel will know that I there is a daily gray meet up happening in Denver with a capacity limit of a 100 and the people that bought tickets uh secured a spot there and unfortunately I've had I mean I've had a lot of people reach out to me asking if there is a wait list or anything like that unfortunately not the venue is quite limited so if you weren't able to get a ticket uh you can still

catch me if you wanted to meet up with me I wanted to say hi as I said you can still catch me at the main event I will be there at the the main conference uh venue for the the three days there there's also going to be other meetups that I'll be attending as well so I'm sure I'll be able to catch up with uh a lot of you at the events um but I won't be able to do individual catch-ups with everyone I just won't have the time there so I just wanted to give a heads up about the the travel uh on that front on on my side and uh and yeah just to prepare yourselves because last time I didn't do refills for a while was when I was in Amsterdam for a couple of weeks and there was withdrawal people having withdrawals and honestly I

was having withdrawals too because you guys know I love doing the the refuel uh but yeah just just to just to put that out there because it's not too long now right it's about uh about just over a month or so a month and five days ish or four days until I until I leave there uh but but yeah I'm hoping to see a lot of you there I know a fair few of you are based in the US you know you're probably heading down and the venue's much bigger this time and it's not split up into three different venues I've said before that I prefer the singular venues to the multi-venue conferences so yeah very much looking forward to seeing uh a lot of you there and especially at the Meetup which should be very fun as well but on that note that's going to be it

for today's episode so thank you everyone for listening and watching be sure to subscribe to the channel if you haven't yet give the video a thumbs up subscribe to the newsletter join the Discord Channel and I'll catch you all tomorrow thanks everyone