The Regenaissance with Gnoman

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foreign ation on the Pod today we've got Noman who is an entrepreneur and philosopher who is working on creating the regenesons so uh this podcast is covering a lot of ground it's covering the regenescence A metamoder playbook which is a Google document that no one has authored we also talk about polos which is a hollonic community computer uh white paper that Noman wrote and also it's not just swipe paper there's actually a webview social network that is that is where this is all where this is all happening and then we also talk about play Drive which is an event that's coming up in June in Austria

where people can build at the intersection of these ideas so how do we simulate a regenescence is the scope of this episode with nomen and I think that one of the things I just really enjoyed about this episode is just how articulate and Lucid of a thinker that that Noman is and how well thought out these ideas are in in full high resolution I think you'll get that from listening to this episode but this isn't just an episode about Theory this is also an episode about practicing the ideas that have been put out there and so we talk about the importance of play in practicing play low States and how we can engineer and internet that creates a little bit more of a regenison so I found this to be really stimulating

episode and I think you will too enjoy Athena Dao is addressing the underfunded areas of women's health such as menopause and endometriosis Athena is a Community Driven doubt giving women a say in decision making and funding the scientific breakthroughs that impact their lives with Cutting Edge technology like molecules IP nft framework they invest in research IP that ensures exclusive licensing rights Athena Dao is Raising awareness to women's health research working alongside existing organizations so join Athena Dao today to help change the landscape of women's health research no man how you doing I'm doing pretty good Kevin what about you other things are good I am pretty excited to get into all the things with you maybe we'll start with

uh what is the regenescence show the Regenesis is uh a regenerative metagame that is being played from 2020 to 2030. with the goal of regenerating our planetary culture it's a messy game let's learn go ahead yeah I was just asked what does a metagame mean and you're going right into it so I met a game a meta game is a game which generates games it's a set of constraints around game design which then allows you to iterate games inside of it got it and so

um how does this metagame work I I there's a there's a document that I've got up uh the regenesons A meta-modern playbook and I'm I'm curious if you could take us deferral it says the the um the refuse Central elements to it one of them is something which is called ancients and ancients is the historical equivalent of presence the just as we need to be present so we can connect with what is happening around us we also need to cultivate this capacity for ancients which is the process of social archeology to discover what are the the profound forgotten ways

of communal living which we need to resuscitate to revivify our culture so ancients is one Element and um the the Regenesis talks in particular about the the festivals of play which used to happen in ancient Rome and ancient Greece which would be prolonged holidays of 30 60 sometimes 180 days which would allow the population to enter into a deep state of non-labor flow and during these festivals they would

celebrate all forms of gods and ceremonies rituals and play and when I read about this I was like holy this is the kind of social metabolism reset which we are craving for in a 365 24 7 culture which never stops which never stops which never stops and so in the Regenesis one of the main elements is this game called the turn and the turn is a regenerative Festival of play

where multiple cities around the world coordinate with one another to compete who can regenerate their City the most we've been doing this over the past couple of Seasons we do it seasonally so we started in Autumn 2022 in Amsterdam and then we did winter in Amsterdam versus Berlin and we just did the spring on Earth day where we did Amsterdam versus Berlin versus Brussels and the the idea being that over time we can coordinate

simultaneously in different geographical locations these games of play which tap into these deep intrinsic drives within us which can harness for example competition in a positive way which is actually going to regenerate the culture and regenerate the planet so what I heard there was that um there's this in in ancient Rome they would have multi-week festivals of play and it would be kind of like a social metabolism reset for the entire Community regenerate the spiritual and kind of social capital and it was a holiday from work and uh that was that

was really regenerative into with the regenescence what you're kind of doing is creating that in the modern era and which many cities at a time can kind of cross-pollinate and do play at within their local environments and have the same sort of spiritual and social reset um and then I also this this this uh actually sort of drives me to the play Drive event that you're having in June coming up so could you tell us a little bit about the play Drive event that that you're organizing sure so play Drive is an event which is taking place in the Austrian Alps at the commons hub it's taking place from June 4th to June 11th

and at play Drive we're going to be playing with this idea of the global brain as a massively multiplayer Dane engine so a game engine that thousands millions of people could participate in simultaneously to cultivate this emerging super intelligence in a way that will allow us to all maximize our fields of play the fundamental rule being that no game

should destroy any other game so nobody's fun should crush another player's fun now to do that there's the requirement for for very uh subtle and profound coordination to to make sure that there's a meta game which holds all of the games in space which gives uh boundaries guidelines so that everybody can maximize their field of play while simultaneously without harming any of the the other players

so we're bringing together a bunch of people who are interested in this idea of the global brain um I've heard Jordan Hall talk about the Neo Neo cortex on this podcast yeah we like to call it the nuo cortex like the neuro severe is emerging and and um so so we want to play this idea into existence and we want to do it through this modality of play which for us is the intuitive mode of being which allows for a maximum amount of metabolism of the present moment and which has the emergent properties of novelty

which is what we we require to continue to explore these these increasing Realms of depth and complexity and harness all of that creativity which is going to come out of that to do some actual building of seeds of the global brain so we're interested in building interfaces we're interested in building toys Winston building games that are going to facilitate this massively multiplayer social coordination around the globe um so I'm uh there'll be a link to play Drive in the show notes and if people

are interested in checking it out it's in June 4th in Austria and um just to connect some of these ideas to things that we've talked about on the green pill podcast I I see on the play Drive website it says the global brain can be thought of as kind of a collective intelligence of the humans of humans and all of their technological Creations so collective intelligence is something that we've talked about a lot on this podcast as a means of creating a more regenerative internet a more democratic internet uh when we have collective intelligence we can solve for the preferences of the many and not just what the rich people want and leveraging the new sphere uh the new sphere is n-o-o sphere and it's a a term that was

coined I think 40 or 50 years ago um that uh let me actually look it up right now but it was uh it was like in like the stallman era of of the internet like 30 or 40 years ago it was uh I remember reading an essay about the new store and that's when that that that term was coined and so we're kind of bringing play into the new sphere bringing these ancient ideas into the into the new sphere and it's it's like this massively multiplayer online thing because of the collective intelligence and it feels like you're just trying to hack uh on advancing the art of play leveraging collective intelligence that's that's sort of how it resonates

in my brain and coming close at all is there anything I missed oh no definitely definitely um I just want to weave in this idea of of ancients here again and the the role of the c-i-a-i synergy um which also George poor is doing some very interesting work on this um as how do we synergize collective intelligence and Artful Intel artificial intelligence in a way that we can have the immersion property of of Collective wisdom right even Beyond collective intelligence and the the role of ancients in how do we

cultivate an artificial intelligence in a way where it is not stuck in the micro historical metabolism of our current culture which tends to to um to be autocoprophagic as they say which means to eat its own ship it's just it's just eating the its own the last thing which came out over and over and over and over and over and in the end it's making it sick and so we we need to go through this process of cultivating the past and and making sure that so many of these cultural artifacts

which have not yet been digitized to digitize them in a way that we can then help cultivate the these emerging superintelligences because otherwise they're going to have these very shallow time frames and there's so much culture which is being lost which is disappearing all over the world on all on so many different levels and for the super intelligence to really grasp the whole fullness of of what it means to to be and how we can help channel that then then we have to participate in that process yeah well I feel like this might be a good point to Pivot into talking about weco which is a holonic social network that you're

involved in building and in and as we make that pivot as I guide the conversation there I just want to say that some of the people that I've really tried to seek out to be on this podcast check a couple of these different boxes one is that they're skilled in talking about the theory in their theory of change and their theory of civilization um and the second is that they're able to build community around that and you know I see that with with the regenaissance that you're building in play drive but the third part is actually creating that change and building technological levers towards that change and and creating the empirical feedback that they're testing their ideas against against actual data and

for me that's where it gets really interesting with uh weco and your idea of a holonic community computer so can we go there can you tell us about uh we go and how hold ons fit in and how you're building kind of different social network that's going to facilitate this change in its full breadth and depth online show so weco is a a harmonic social network what the word harmonic means is comes from the word the the ancient Greek word hollon which means something which is simultaneously apart and the whole in and of itself

so a simple example is if you take the human body human body is a whole and of itself but then it's composed of organs and an organ is a whole in and of itself but then it's composed of cells and a cell is a whole in and of itself but then it's composed of sub-components so it's this idea that that things are as far as we can tell ontologically nested as far as we perceive this seems to be a fundamental aspect of the the structure of being and so my friend James Weir

had been studying harmonics and came up with the idea of creating a social network which would have these properties and what it would allow people to do is to create communities which have sub communities which have sub communities which have sub communities and thereby aggregating all of the content into their higher level categories and allowing people to choose what specific level of granularity that they want to explore but beyond that Beyond nesting what you can do with harmonics is that you can you can nest a community within multiple other

communities which doesn't have to be a direct hierarchical leveling it's what they call a honaki and in a hierarchy you have you can have a community which is part of multiple other communities simultaneously which are going off in different branches of this emerging Network and that's where this idea of holos and the community computer the harmonic Community computer comes in which is what if we were to have a honaki of many different communities and each of these communities could

Define using ledgers blockchain but also holoching roll-ups if they could Define their own economics governance and culture in a way that their sub communities would inherit those of those guidelines if that was a hierarchy then it would be simple because you would just have a parent to child inheritance but if you have a hierarchy where any Community can have multiple parents from

multiple different communities then that has the emergent property of complex negotiations of any community saying that okay I have multiple affiliations I am part of multiple Halls simultaneously I'm not owned by anything in particular but I have these symbiotic relationships um how how do I negotiate which rules do I do I respond to if there are differing rules on the two from the two parents then how do I coordinate myself okay that's going to require some coordination between the parents as well to figure that out and then the child is

going to have to figure out okay do I do 70 this one 30 this one and and so that starts to reflect how communities actually exist in real life and and how people are part of communities we're all part of multiple communities simultaneously communities are part of multiple communities simultaneously and so we need to be able to coordinate in that kind of style yeah so let me say what you said back to you uh and I just like to repeat these ideas get complicated so I want to repeat them back for the audience so a whole lot is something that is simultaneously whole in and of itself but also as part of a larger whole like I'm a human uh and you know beneath the level of hold on that is Humanity I have my

organs and my cells and um above above macro above above my Humanity uh you and I are both humans and together we form the whole arm that is this podcast um and and uh the whole on above that is maybe the green pill or regenerative crypto economic movement the whole on above that is is is all of crypto and then there's you know let's just say the whole the whole earth is a whole lot above that and the that stack is called the holarchy the stack of connections between hold on so there's like a vertical stack that goes from like cell organ organism uh uh ecosystem biosphere but there's also adjacent hollons that

that are Stacks sort of like adjacent to each other and so what I like about this holonic uh world view is that a it sort of breaks the dualism of individualism versus collectivism which is where I feel like a lot of our conversations get stuck when it comes to creating social change to be favor the individual or the collective but I also think that it allows us to create like different levels of complexity that where we can manage a um a movement for social change or we can manage resource allocation and um it's like it it it it allows us to I'm almost imagining like pinching and zooming um into different holonic social networks that create all of the social

networks that are the internet and if you can if you can operate at the right level of hold on the aperture for the the change that you're creating but also uh pinch and zoom in and pinch and zoom out your label you'll be able to see the effects on the adjacent communities from there so it's just an elegant uh architecture for thought that allows you to think about social change at multiple different levels and um that's why I think the idea of a whole like Community computer is really important like in a way social networks are our whole lot of community computers but we just don't think of them that way um and and you consciously designing a hole on it like a kind of a social network around this idea of hold ons is

a really interesting scaffolding for me in in building social change in web 3. so um hopefully the audience now this point knows what holons and hoarchy are but I'd love to dive in on the whole lot of community community computer a little bit more next what are you building what what is weco and and how can people use it today yeah so uh as I said weco is uh harmonic social network but we also like to call it uh harmonic playnet and this opposition between the play net and the network I think is a very fertile one of of um

always thinking of work at the core of our society inverting that and rather putting play at the core and a play net being the the social infrastructure which holds the players so that they can maximize their field of play maximizing their field of play so that they can explore as many niches as possible generate as much as novelty as possible and thereby increasing the collective intelligence of the society so we take that Approach at wiko

simultaneously we're building tools for things like governance of decision making but we're also building toys for people to play because we believe that before you can build a polis you need to generate propolis a propolis is a really interesting term which is the the glue which holds The Beehive together and it has all these interesting properties of it serves for the the immune system of the hive if a lizard comes in to the hive then they'll wrap

it in propolis so it it prevents it from infecting the whole of the hive and it can then be removed so it's a really fascinating substance but it also means Pro before police the community and the the idea of properness in the realm of play is that before you can start building a community before you can start making hard decisions that cut through communities you need to build rapport you need to build intimacy and you do

that through play you do that by taking turns so taking turns the one of the fundamental units of game design allows people to very rapidly generate reciprocity even if it's symbolic just the going back and forth of taking turns accelerates the generation of reciprocity and because of of all that we've developed what we call the glass Speed game which is a game of taking turns to explore together

the topics which concern us all in a culture so for example we would take the the topic of regeneration and we would play one minute turns on a timer so it's exactly one minute so equal reciprocity which also has this Pro this property of of um this Resonance of equality which is generated from the form of the game and we take turns to explore this topic intentionally trying to interconnect what we're saying with one another so that we're always deepening the

resonances that we're generating and we try and avoid the use of I and you so we can bypass our egos and enter into this collective intelligence and we really try and state Our Truth the part of the truth which we are holding on to and by doing that you can very quickly generate Rapport between peoples and you can very quickly come to Collective insights and once you start entering into the flow state of the going and back and forth you can reach that point when you're speaking faster than you can think and that's when the novelty is being

generated and that's the goal the gold is the novelty but then beyond that there are also the emergent properties of the play which is the the propolis the Rapport which is being generated through the gameplay but also the generation of a common culture of a common understanding if you have a community and they choose a topology a set of topics which concern them all and everybody within that Community plays with everybody else on those topics

and have come to a common understanding when the community meets as a whole you no longer are dragged down by people asking oh but what do you mean by Society what do you mean by the law you've already gone through all of that groundwork or that ground play to come to a common understanding and then when you're actually starting to to to play the polis then everybody has a deep level of understanding with one another and it allows you to massively accelerate that process beautiful um so I'm just going to play back what

you said in my own words and hopefully the audience hearing it from two different uh two different styles will will help it set a little bit more so uh Apollos is like a city-state and uh propolis is like the infrastructure between city-states that helps them hold hold together and you know we also made the analogy of like a beehive so in in a beehive uh propolis is the resin like material made by bees uh that sort of like holds it together and it creates I also want to feel like a structure of anti-fragility in between different parts of the uh parts of the hive and so you're saying that in our Global interconnected Society what we should be

doing is investing in uh creating like a propolis um in fact we're going to talk about this I should learn to pronounce that word but the the that's where the if you could invest in those social relationships in sort of like mutualism between players that creates a certain anti-fragility um in the system but it also is where collective intelligence comes from that moment that you said where your mouth is moving faster than your mind is is sort of where generation comes from maybe there's sort of like a flow State that's entered within a community in which they're playing together so that that's how I perceive what you said but is there anything you'd collect or a correct or uh or you think it's true

reductionist or anything and how I said that back to you well you um you raised the interesting point of the the propolis not only being between individual players within a community but also being Within to across communities and that's what we're trying to do with the turn by getting multiple cities multiple communities to synchronize simultaneously then you're building Rapport in between the the different geographies yeah and there's a whole infrastructure which already exists to facilitate this which is twined cities

they're all around the world any city of pretty much any size will be twinned with other cities in other countries sometimes they just have one twin but sometimes they have two three four five different twins in different locations and I've always dreamed of tapping into those pre-existing relationships to do this turn taking of communal regeneration wherein one of the Cities a group of players from that City would go into the other city and help regenerate it during the turn and then the next turn that City could send a group of players

to the the city which originally sent the players and so you would have this cross-pollination of all these regenerative players around the world who would be bringing their intelligence that would be bringing their wisdom and Building Bridges across large geographical locations and you could even imagine things like and this is explored in the atlas game in the original size document you could even imagine at something called a cashback so cash here spelled c-a-c-h-e like the cache of an animal or the the cache of honey

where if your community is participating in the in this regenerative reciprocity with other communities when somebody of your community travels to say that City you could be rewarded through a cashback which is is generated from The Good Will which has been cultivated between the two communities through this Regional reciprocity that's quite an interesting social system um what I think is really interesting here is that we're talking about designing the new sphere to create more um more like Acropolis and and just how

there's really a blue ocean here in in designing designing for that and and how we don't have to be sort of tied to how things worked in the the examples that came came to mind for me whereas like in the old world at least in the business World companies are companies don't have a propolis between them they're always elbowing each other out for market share and they're trying to grab as much market share as possible become monopolistic and um in that competitive game is it's why we have the fan companies right now um and then you've also got cities which are sort of rival risks with each other in a way that like maybe Sports manages or or or something like that and you know heaven forbid city-states sort

of Warring with each other in the in the old times but there's literally an opportunity to build this more anti-fragile propolis between communities in leveraging the power of the internet the coordination power of the internet and we can all share in the fruits of that by designing it so um I think it's really a very profound observation to to point out that creating this meta structure between communities will create a lot of good and a lot of anti-fragility for the world um well I I'm I I feel like I'm really excited about what you're what you're working on in in that um you've set kind of got this theory of change with the regenaissance you've got you've got uh play Drive which is a

place in which you're kind of trying to stimulate that theory of change and then you've got wiko in the whole on a community computer uh and those kind of feel like three different legs of a tripod to me in which you're which you're trying to stimulate a movement is there any other sort of major piece of the movement that you're building that you that you want to tell us about is there anything I missed in in that perception no not cut oh and I'm wondering you know in in five or ten years if you're maximally successful what does the world look like and how has how has the world changed I really like this quote by Albert Camus

who says that the reason why we fight is not to generate some heaven on Earth Utopia it's just to maintain the Liberties which we've managed to to scrape together over the generations so hopefully by 2030 will live in a world which is no worse than this one as a starting point but beyond that

I hope to see uh over a world which has a profoundly better metabolism a world where there is a balance between work and play and even that that places play at its centrality and sees work as a form of play as a form of structured play foreign the world is pretty unfathomable in in

2013 the the evolution of of artificial intelligence of five six seven eight G of hyper connectivity of of brain interfaces but what I hope is that by by learning how to play with all of these new toys within a a metagame which is trying its best to hold the playground together for everybody to be able to

continue to play while simultaneously learning from the great wisdom of the past and from from learning from just the generation which is passing now the pre-computer generation that there are there are deep lessons which mustn't be forgotten because otherwise the technology will devour us it will devour Us Alive and it will make us subservient to it rather than it being one of the many toys in our toy box so what I heard there is is sort of the

world being pretty unfathomable fathomable uh itself in five or ten years with all of the accelerationist technology that we've got going on right now but um sort of I want to have the technology servicing the play and not just the human servicing the technology and um and and and sort of creating this container this this propolis for Humanity to to to sort of be anti-fragile uh in with each other and and how we socially relate with each other in in in the the near future and I'm wondering and I'm just wondering you know what that brings up for you do you feel like

we're on that track now do you feel like a sense of urgency to stimulate uh creating that adjacent possible and moving us over to that track and and sort of how you relate to that Vision versus the course that you feel like humanity is on now and and in the course that we're on now yeah yeah so what is it that they say move fast slowly I'm gonna move slow quickly or or both um yeah I I would definitely I definitely uh commit to that um is that a fork of the whole Zuckerberg move faster and break things so if we're gonna be more conscious about the social change we created it's like move fast uh

on one level but slowly on another on another level I actually haven't heard that phrase before I don't know that the audience has either yeah I'm not sure what its origin is the it might be that to um to build things or to grow things in particular then you have to move slowly but that you you also have to be on time yeah you have to you have to water when it's the right season you have to you have to sow the seeds when it when the time is right but it feels like there are many seeds which uh are growing all simultaneously but what I see lacking is this meta coordination layer and

um I feel that there's there's on one side there are there are powerful entities who are working on meta coordination so they can maximize their power in the world but then there are many people involved in in um in these regenerative movements who aren't thinking big enough who need to think as big as possible to to to generate this this this planetary and even at some point Beyond planetary coordination layer which that for me that the global brain

feels like the right the right the right metaphor the Right image and if we don't cultivate this properly then other people are going to do it and their intentions are not as not as benevolent as we are as we aspire to a lot of these intentions are are simply materialistic simply Imperial and sometimes willing to share a bit the minimum here have a little corner of the

playground that you can play in every so often but that's not what we aspire to we aspire to an infinite game we aspire to A Feast for forever that everybody can rejoice in the the energy in in in the swirl and ebb and the warp onion Wolves of lice and and relish in that not only for the select few who are tapping right

holding the the brain stem of the global brain tightly in their fists but instead a relaxed playful planet that can enjoyed every moment in the fullness of presence in the context of a great infinite game yeah it's um I mean I think it's a beautiful visit and I'm just as you're speaking I'm giving getting flashbacks to time when it felt like I was in flow um and in play and in

resonance with my community so I just um I just invite The Listener to to think through their memories about times in which they felt that and how can we how can we export that to the world so um I'm left with a a feeling of real hope and it's sort of uh the beauty of of your vision but also there's kind of a pit in my stomach about just just about how the metagame right now is capitalism and you know the social scaffolding that we that For Better or Worse much of humanity has to interrelate with each other depends on which social network they use but for me it's Twitter um and just the fact that Turner causes

us and all of all of social media it feels like it's generating these culture wars um where there's this race there's this thing called the race to the bottom of the brain stem where uh because everything in social media is monetized with ads and you can sell more ads when you have more eyeballs everything is trying to keep us on site longer and more engaged longer and so it elicits this brace race to the bottom of the brain stem where everything becomes the visceral impulses like everything reduces down to culture wars and fighting over the culture wars because we're more profitable when we're enraged or um you know everything kind of races to like uh things that are very visceral for people

um you know depending on what your preferences are maybe it's like beer and boobs or you know maybe it's it's uh it's something else depending on what your preferences are and so it feels like almost what you're trying to engineer is a race to the top of the brain stem to a place where uh the coordination metastructure doesn't care that we're more profitable when we're enraged it create it cares more about a race to the top of the brain stem where where we're better off when we're in play and we're in flow with each other and with the higher angels of our nature and so yeah I know I I'm I'm left with two opposing feelings and one is an appreciation for

the profoundness of play and in that structure but also sort of like um a cynicism uh about having how do we bootstrap that using capitalism and maybe that's where web3 fits in you know maybe there's there's some way to bootstrap these communities uh from within the heart of the culture wars and in social media and capitalism within it and and that's why I think it's so interesting what you're doing with we three and play Drive uh sort of figuring out the structure to bootstrap the new the new metagame within the old meta game so yeah I'm I'm rambling a little bit here but I'd say you know uh do you have any sort of relation to to like that cynicism or the fact that the the existing structure is so different from

the structure that that you envision out there how do you deal with the distance between those two things yeah yeah the the the challenge is that any new relationship which we try to form is simultaneously being pulled apart by the the system in which we're living and the um the the the methodology or the the game plan to counter that as far as I can tell is to do the the uh the hard work of individual and Collective trauma healing so the the the kind of of ceiling of the

culture which allows us to resonate with the others in a way which which Transcendence market conditions and that even when market conditions get tough on the market is trying to tear us apart then we have the resonance we have the propolis to fall back onto it's definitely a huge challenge it's the it's the the healing of the of the individual and the collective brain stem so that as you say there can be this race to the top the race to the top of the individual neocortex which helps coordinate the individual and be present jump on all of the opportunities for

play which uh which are present and also this race to the newer cortex which is going to allow us to coordinate together as a community as a planet but before we can get there we need to do this healing because otherwise your your activating a neocortex which is in service to trauma and it's just reproducing the trauma over and over again yeah so so the next Edge that we're on is is reducing and healing our trauma versus inducing inducing more trauma and so that feels

like the the direction that we're trying to push is to build social structures and Acropolis between these communities that heals trauma and not induces new trauma um I think that might be a little bit reductionist but that's that's one of the core points that I heard there and let's spawn I think that um I'm really enjoying where it's going and unfortunately we only have eight minutes left um so I'm wondering if we could if we could start moving into a couple wrap-up questions um before we do that I'm wondering if there's anything I didn't ask that you want to tell the audience enough okay great well um what would what would you like the

audience to to uh check out from your work so we're gonna have a link to wiko in the show notes we're gonna have a link to the regenaissance paper and the holonic community uh computer paper in in the show notes so uh if if you're someone in the audience who resonates with this Vision what should they check out what should they do how should they get get engaged in your work so I would invite them to come test out wiko to start a a glass b game so you create a post you choose the glass beat game function and there you can set up a game either synchronously or asynchronously to play with other people on the topic of your choosing and um as you explore

the site you'll you'll see some interesting applications well that the game for example we've been playing a game of tongue twisters recently well each player takes turn to try and and speak the tongue twister recording their mistakes as well because otherwise you know you miss out on the on on the joy of it um and and it is something which is very simple it's something that this is on the on the level of of rather than this profound okay we're trying to figure out what is our Collective meaning it's it's more on that lighter level of play which

is just as crucial for generating the propolis of or just having fun just having fun together and I invite you to start a game and and see who else joins in apart from that I'd invite you to look at the Regenesis document which is a long document of around 120 pages but the essence of it is contained in the first I would say five which is the introduction which really lays out the vision um and that context I think is the most important thing the context of play that

we're in uh which is the context of these 10 years and the um the the challenge the quest of of whether we figure out how to play with these new toys in the right way or if we let them destroy us um but then within the regenaissance there are many ideas and and also games a number of which have not yet been built so if anybody reads something which they would like to build then please reach out and get in touch I'm at never say never on Twitter but never with a G like Never

Say Never so you can find me there uh just DM me and um and then if you resonate with what we're doing with uh with wiko you can read the the hollos paper which goes into more of our blockchain web 3 kind of vision and if that resonates with you then feel free to get in touch and come and build something with us it's all open source we're aspire to be a cooperative and cooperatively owned um James wear some very interesting ideas about that and um and otherwise if you're interested in exploring somebody these ideas just send

me a message and we can play a glass b game together just the two of us and jam on some ideas have some fun and see what emerges yeah beautiful place to end we'll have links in the show notes to playdrive which is the event that y'all are running in June in in Austria uh to the original science paper and to the hollana community computer paper and then also just a link to weco which is where you can where you can practice it but you can practice play Anywhere it feels like and so I think this this podcast is hopefully an invitation to to practice creating a more regenerative World by playing with the people around you hell yes you know thanks so much for joining

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