Privacy Hub - Privacy is Normal

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[music] You see us? Can you hear us clearly? Can you raise your hands? >> Hello. Hello. Can you hear us? >> Good. >> I know everybody's tired, >> but trust me, this is going to be interesting because um privacy is something that is huge in Defcon, right? >> Yeah. one of the main tracks for this year and uh throughout the year not just like at DevCon right now even at other events you'll see privacy as the main topic and we are lucky to be leading the privacy hub and we'll talk about very simple thing which is privacy is normal or not and for that uh first we'll

introduce ourselves so this is Chandesh I am the organizer for ETH Mumbai and uh earlier this year we hosted a conference and hackathon and even for that privacy was one of the key tracks. We noticed that everyone was so interested that in the hackathon we received around 80 projects but 60 of them had privacy in it built in them. So we realize that everyone not just uh that we care about it, our sponsors care about it, even developers, every single person cares about privacy a lot and we are continuing the uh education and awareness about privacy even today even uh the throughout the DevCon week

through privacy hub and yeah you can introduce yourself as well. Yes. Um I'm Dasha and um there are a lot of uh ways of how I can describe myself but today I'll choose the word cyber realist to describe myself and by that I mean I have been contributing with a lot of privacy projects. One of them is logos. Over there we are trying to build the privacy by default tech stack. We are also doing a lot of parallel institution initiatives to solve the problems that exist in our society because um along with privacy it's also very important to act upon the things that we see in a society as a problem to us where the

government might fail us sometimes. And I also work with key card it is one of the uh best hardware wallets out there. I know we have had a lot of um ups and downs in the hardware wallet um ecosystem lately but uh we are 100% open source and uh our ideology is we have broken down the monolithic architecture of hardware wallets into two different parts one is the reader and one is the keys uh where your keys live in a EAL6 plus element and it's always uh air gapped from the internet and they never leave your um wallet so I'll talk more about it later but today we are here to talk about privacy and what we will be doing at our privacy hub. Oh, by the way

before we move on like these are our Twitter usernames. You can find Dvisha at Dvisha and myself at this is Chandra. And yeah, we have some uh to start this presentation, we have some questions for you. So, please pay attention. >> Yeah. So, there's a simple question. Uh have you have a face ID or a pin lock on your phone? If you do, raise your hand. >> If someone doesn't like We are looking at you.

>> Okay. Amazing. We see a lot of people um having face lock. Um next we have >> Yeah. Anyone? >> Do you guys use a VPN? >> Who uses a VPN? >> Which VPNs do you use? >> Yeah. >> Malbad, Proton, >> N. >> Okay. Interesting. >> Okay. >> Did you guys check out the NOS's uh VPN team? They will be launching their VPN soon as well. >> Yeah. >> But anyways, uh next question. Do you guys use Apploss? >> Anyone? >> Just >> which apps do you use AppLock for?

Just shout out the names. >> WhatsApp. >> WhatsApp. >> Okay, everybody needs to hide this chats. >> I know banking apps that's like uh important and it's by default. There are apps uh there are app locks on banking apps on uh for India like all the UPI apps. Yeah. But then there are apps like WhatsApp where you personally have to add a app lock if you need to. So if you do, that's great. >> Amazing. >> Reddit nerds.

Okay, we won't ask your Reddit right now, so we'll move on >> to the next question. >> Do you guys have a Finina? That means do you have a anonymous uh burner account or anonymous ID? Yeah, again we won't >> ask you for your pinsta, but thank you for showing the raise of hands. >> Um, do you guys read your terms and conditions before agreeing to them or do you just like >> Yeah, finally >> like lazy like us and just >> one hand, two hands. Wow, shocker. [laughter] >> Okay, so you can uh do you also share your ATM pen with your friends?

>> Anyone? Do you hide your ATM pens when you are like >> so over the series of questions we have we are starting to see now that no one is raising their hand. So the first few important privacy things we cared about they sounded simple and then uh slowly slowly we see the friction that there are some areas where we stop caring about privacy. We stop caring about what what will happen to our data and especially when our data is onchain. Yeah. So, uh, as we've all noticed, we all were raising hands when people said, "Oh, are you using your face ID while unlocking your phone or do you use synony an anonymous names while uh using

any social platform?" We all are practicing privacy in our everyday lives. Except we're not doing it onchain. And when I say onchain, what do I mean by that? When you're on chain, um, >> you're already leaking. Everyone knows that for every address we know the money it holds. We know how uh which which other wallets this person transacts to. We know who you interact. We know at which time of the day. So because whenever we are transacting onchain, we know that every single data point is available for public view. And this is when uh we don't think about it day-to-day but this is the data like if it was your bank account would you be

happy that okay everyone knows when I transferred how much money to a friend how much like if I bought something from Amazon when when is my uh Spotify or Apple music subscription is getting charged every month so this is the data we never share because by default uh it is not shared but here because by default it's uh transparent everyone can see it. We actually do nothing about it. But we should like because even for this onchain data uh all the information should be private and it should be private by default not that you have to toggle it on or off and for that specific reason uh we are hosting the privacy hub and Disha knows a lot of speakers. She's

also one of the speakers at the privacy hub. >> Yeah we have speakers from a very diverse backgrounds. We have people from Zcash, Safe, Cake Wallet, um, Logos, uh, Safe Laps as well, Noses. So, we would love to have you guys over there. Ask your questions around how you can practice your daily privacy, uh, what are the tools that you should use on your daily lives, how you can um, make yourself more private on the internet because data is the ultimate money >> and the privacy hub is right outside. Uh so from the Jasmine stage uh right outside there's a pink discussion room and next to that there's a privacy up

for today we already had almost all the talks there's going to be one final talk at 5:00 p.m. but for tomorrow onwards also there will be talk from 10:00 a.m. to until 5:00 p.m. The schedule is packed uh you will get if you have RSVP on Luma you'll get a email in the morning for the daily schedule. If not you can go to the hub uh there's a whiteboard where you can see the schedule and attend the talks workshops panels fad chats that you want to and I would personally like to thank the whole team privacy hub team to make this possible that includes Akil Aman Anik Ben Chandisha Inara Lucas part and villain so please give a round of

applause for the privacy hub team that is making sure that all of you uh that there are s such good speakers that come and like keep the awareness on for all the privacy related talks, discussions, apps, tools like similar hab uh sorry small habits, practices that we can all do. So please give a round of applause for the privacy hub team please and >> open to questions. >> Yeah. So we wanted to keep this short and because actually the real uh meat of the privacy talks is in the hub and we are open to any questions you have about the privacy now >> and remember that we have read the QR

code over there and write your questions and we have this huge opportunity to have uh these amazing people here talking about privacy. We don't have a question yet. Maybe someone Yes. Is privacy normal? This is the first question. I love this question. >> Okay. Um, so I'd love to add on it. It's like, you know, a lot of people take uh consider privacy as hiding something or uh oh, you only need privacy when you um when you're doing something illegal

or something that you're not supposed to. But in my opinion, I have an Instagram account. I love to post, but I'm always very considerate of what exactly I'm posting. Like if I want to post like my workout reel, I'll be very considerate of oh if I am showing the location uh of my where I'm doing my workouts in or if uh who am I doing my workouts with because that's that because these things might lead you uh leave your biometrics on the internet for the people to follow you that I'm not saying that uh you should do it because you are being um you Uh I'm sorry because because you are doing

something illegal but to have the control of what you want to share and who you want to share it with. So uh yes privacy is normal and u I think we all practice it in our everyday lives without even realizing it. not sharing your location to certain apps or uh using VPNs while while you're traveling because you want to uh chat with someone or using apps like Signal or WhatsApp uh to talk over encrypted messages so that your chats remain safe and anonymous.

>> Yeah, it it's as safe as uh right now you can ask us questions without telling us who you are like we we won't ask you that who's >> who you are. That is the power of anonymity. >> Yeah, you can ask any kind of weird questions you want >> and um like of out of the questions that you made for our audience, how you act on that questions, how is your behavior related to privacy? Can you give us some tips and tricks how the people can have a better privacy?

>> Uh I'm sorry. uh how can uh we talk the people like give some uh advices to them to they have a better privacy to have keeps more privacy. How can I do that? How can I do that? >> Oh okay. >> Not developers we are not implementing [laughter] privacy on existing. >> I mean uh you all know that iPhones uh take a lot of uh your collect a lot of your data. So people try to use graphine OS which I know might be difficult to install it on your local Android if you're not a developer but people do uh use these practices like installing

graphing graphine OS or maybe using uh tools like VPNs uh uh in in their daily lives use uh increasing the use of Linux over Mac uh and all these kind of things >> and mo most crypto users are already cipher punks and we see it from my lady like everyone uses the same sim same same some some kind of BFB that's not your face and I think that's amazing in itself and it happens with uh uh cryptounks or it happens with some other NFT projects that you you just use a uh PFP that is whatever you like and especially with my lady everyone looks the same so that becomes a very easy habit of adding a privacy layer which is

fun like you don't do it because oh if I do this then no one will know me You just do it because okay it's fun and I want to do it and like I think privacy becomes easier when it's fun for everyone. >> Exactly. Think about how many people that are try to understand and have the awareness now related to privacy. We must do this in a way that is easy and fun to them. Yeah. And I I think people uh at least everyone who has played video games online, they know that they had whenever they create a character, whenever they create a username, they use a weird username, it's never their name, whatever they want to think about.

>> Or [laughter] something like soul >> noob. Noob. >> Yeah, things like that. So I mean it's more fun. So you do that and then your online identity becomes whatever you want it. I believe it becomes very easier for you to present your real thoughts when you're anonymous and you know that people don't know who exactly that person is. It becomes very easy for you to share your thoughts fil unfiltered. >> Yeah, I know that the second question maybe you comment that you cannot answer but uh do you have someone in the private hubby that can answer this question later related to the uh existing chains? Uh actually I would like to add on the second question. How

are you planning to implement privacy on existing chains? >> Yes. >> Like ETH and Soul. Um so I think there are a lot of institutional talks uh in the Ethereum chain. I'm not very wellversed with Solana ecosystem. But I know there are a lot of protocols like Umbra U and other uh uh projects that have been implementing ASDAC who have the who have been implementing private transaction keeping the details of your uh uh transactions everything pretty secure. uh in Ethereum also they have they have been talking to a lot of institutions to make um uh to adopt Zcash and be able to uh do transactions and everything more privately. So yeah

>> and there will be specially uh not tomorrow but day three there are two talks uh based on actually ethereum there's one talk specifically for layer 1 chains how privacy is being implemented there and there's another talk later in the day uh probably around 3 p.m. which is about how L2s are implementing privacy. So yeah, feel free to attend those talks which uh where like way smarter people than me be there and they'll answer literally what you're asking like how uh privacy is being implemented on both the levels >> and and what about our last question for now with growing of the AI agent and computation power do you think ite

encryption will exist for a long time in this area. >> I can I can take this. Uh I think the this is something that uh Vitalik has been consistently talking about even I I don't think he mentioned it today. He's talked about this uh during a little bit. He touched upon this during a talk he gave at ETH Mumbai and he what he mentioned is that yeah with the not just AI AI LLM but also with the uh upcoming like quantum computing like how do we make sure that things are end to end encrypted and I think it's uh because we also want like nobody touches Satoshi's

wallet uh that's another uh things like quantum computing can have so many much more problems than like just using AI agents and even today uh I think Vitalik talked about this even uh Zach talked about this Aztec that how breaking things is becoming cheaper so you can break end to end encryption cheaper and that's where I think there are very smart people working right now in the Ethereum ecosystem who are already working on solving this uh and uh so if you think about it right Now the the same way you can use AI to break encryption, you can also use AI to make encryption stronger

and uh that's where we want to be on the right side of the history. >> We have to be optimistic. Yeah, we we have to [clears throat] be optim not just optimistic but also work towards like making sure that encryption also becomes stronger day by day and that many of the teams are already doing it and yeah and one of the yeah so we'll just have to wait and see but uh I think as long as uh there are smarter people working on making encryption stronger it's going to work out.

>> Yes. And um uh what um like talk do you have in the privacy hobby that you can recommend to them to watch? I know that you have a lot of things but there are some that go over there we must see this. >> Um uh I think I will be moderating a panel with Marina from Logos um Juel from SAFE and Davia from Cake Wallet and we're going to be talking about the everyday uh privacy habits that you can implement. Um and I'm pretty sure that's going to be an interesting one. And the other panel that we are hosting is on private uh stable coin trails that uh we can practice uh it will be with one Shika and two more speakers and uh that

will be pretty insightful uh as somebody who uses stable coins in their daily lives and if you are wondering how you can um protect your identity while using the stable coins. >> Yeah. Yeah. because uh the whole uh I think the whole 2026 has also been about increasing number of crypto cards, increasing number of uh stable coins and like also people are trying to build uh more national stable like apart from USD non-USD stable coins especially in Latin America during we saw a huge jump uh during dev connect. So after that the whole this year people are also realizing that we don't just want stable

coins we also want uh our transactions to be private we don't want we because we are using a crypto card daily that everything becomes uh everything leaks uh that which we were talking about that as soon as something's onchain it leaks so we have a panel tomorrow and uh I think we have a panel even on Friday based uh talking specifically about stable coins which will be very important Because now I mean most people I have spoken to they use crypto cards in one way or another form. >> Yeah. Check it out the privacy hobby.

There are amazing discussions over there. Do you have a final message? >> Um I just say privacy is normal. >> Privacy is normal >> and you don't have to be scared uh of keeping things to yourself. It is your right to be able to share what you want to and to hide what you don't want to share with the people. And that's it. And I think we'll see you guys. >> [music]