Pet3r Pan | Layer Zero

Transcript

[Music] welcome, to, layer, zero, layer, zero, is, a podcast, of, unscripted, conversations, with the, people, that, make, up, the, ethereum community crypto, is, built, by, code, but, is, composed by, people, and, each, individual, member, of the, community, has, their, own, story, to tell cypherpunks, understood, that, the, code they, write, impacts, the, people, that, use it, and, layer, zero, is, a, podcast, that focuses, on, the, people, behind, the, code because, the, theorem, is, people, all, the way, down, and, it, always, has, been today, i'm, talking, with, peter, pan, who, is a, fellow, class, of, 2017, crypto, person, got into, the, world, of, crypto, around, the, same time, i, did made, similar, typical, newbie, mistakes that, one, does, buying, xrp, um, but, peter

immediately, injected, himself, right, into the, core, of, the, ethereum, community, and kind, of, led, the, charge, for, dallas, he, was one, of, the, earliest, dowers to, really, kind, of, reinvigorate, this whole, dao, revolution, starting, i, think, in maybe, early, 2019 peter's, legacy, along, with, others, as, well is, metta, cartel medicartel, was, the, first, dow, after moloch, dao, to, really, use, the, the, dope molok, framework, and, to, try, and, bestow part, of, what, its, visions, should, be, upon the, world, via, funding, grants, but, it's really, turned, into, much, much, more, than that, i, think, meta, cartel, is, um it's, a, meme, that, is, also, um

a, public, good, kind, of, it's, a, it's, a, vibe that, we, all, as, a, collective, humanity, can tap, into defining, meta, cartel, i, think, is inherently, impossible but, i, think, you, will, as, a, listener understand, why, after, you, listen, to, this conversation, with, peter, pan so, without, further, ado, let's, go, ahead and, get, right, into, that, conversation, but before, we, do, a, moment, to, talk, about, some of these, fantastic, sponsors, that, make the, show, possible, bankless, is, proud, to be, supported, by, uniswap, uniswap, is, a, new paradigm, in, asset, exchange infrastructure, instead, of, a, cumbersome order, book, system, where, trades, are matched, with, other, humans, uniswap, is, an autonomous, piece, of, software, on, ethereum which, is, what, ryan, and, i, call, a, money robot, no, human, counterparties, or

centralized, intermediaries, just autonomous, code, on, ethereum, input, the token, you, want, to, sell, and, receive, the token, you, want, to, buy, something, brand new, in, the, uni-swap, ecosystem, is, the uniswap, grants, program, is, now, accepting applications, for, grants we, have, been, saying, this, for, a, while, and we'll, say, it, again, dows, have, money, and they, are, in, need, of, labor, if, you, think that, you, have, something, to, contribute, to the, uni-swapped, out, apply, for, a, grant, to uni-swap, just, look, at, the, size, of, the uniswap, treasury, it's, almost, 3, billion this, mountain, of, capital, is, looking, for labor, do, you, have, something, of, value, to contribute, to, the, uniswap, dao, no, matter how, big, or, small, your, idea, is, you, can apply, for, a, uni, grant, at, unigrants.org

and, help, steer, uniswap, in, the, direction that, you, think, it, should, go that's, exactly, what, we, did, to, get uniswop, to, be, a, sponsor, for, bankless, and you, can, do, the, same, for, your, project thank, you, uniswap, for, sponsoring bankless, the, era, of, proof-of-stake, is upon, us, proof-of-stake, systems, like ethereum, terra, and, solana, allow, the industry, to, move, away, from, the, hot, loud and, wasteful, proof, of, work, systems, and return, back, to, a, cottage, industry, of individual, stakers, and, individual validators, and, that, is, what, we, need, to make, this, industry, stay, decentralized individuals, must, play, their, part, in crypto, network, validation, and, that, is what, lido, is, here, to, do, lido, makes staking, accessible, to, everyone, at, the click, of, a, button, by, delegating, your stake, to, lydo's, network, of, nodes, you, can access, the, yield, offered, by, proof, of

sake, systems, and, claim, your, share, of, the network, transaction, rewards, do, you, have 32, eth, and, want, to, stake, it, to, ethereum but, running, a, node, sounds, intimidating or, maybe, you, have, less, than, 32, eth, and you, need, to, pool, your, eth, with, others, so you, can, access, baking, yields, lido, offers a, solution, for, both, simply, go, to, lydo.fi choose, which, assets, you, want, to, stake and, deposit, them, to, the, leido, validating network, lido, is, working, to, make, sure proof, of, stake, stays, as, decentralized, as possible, and, is, committed, to decentralizing, its, own, validating network, to, eventually, become, a completely, permissionless, protocol, so, if you, want, to, stake, your, eath, tara, or, soul and, get, liquidity, on, your, steak, go, to lydo.fi, to, get, started all, right, guys, we, are, here, with, peter

pan, peter, what's, up it, is, a, pleasure, to, be, back, on, uh bankless, well, leia, zero, i, guess, uh there's, zero, no, yeah different, series, right, yeah, yeah, so, you have, different, like, series, and, focuses and, totally, yeah, player, zero, is, just basically, the, tuesday, flavor, of, bankless at, this, point, uh, so, yeah, it's, the bankless, podcast, but, the, layer, zero sub, category, i, guess, yeah, i'm, stoked, to get, you, on, for, longer, than, just, 30 minutes, because, the, only, other, time we've, had, you, on, the, show, was, uh, the 30-minute, pre-interview, about, what, it was, like, to, write, that, before, a, bitcoin series, which, turned, into, like, an, audio book, type, podcast yeah, um

i, think yeah, that, was, beautiful, uh, thank, you, so much, for, doing, that, yeah, uh, thank, you for, it, was, so, weird, because yeah, it, was, like like, i, wrote, it, and, like, when, i, first came, to, crypto, and, like, no, one thought, like, i, some, people, read, it, so it's, cool, but, no, one, really, like shauna's, spot, like, no, one, cared, about, it for, pretty, much two, and, a half, years, yeah right uh when, you, wrote, it, it, was, in, the depths, of, the, 2017, mania, right, so, like not, necessarily, the, the, community, that would, appreciate, a, post, of, that, nature so, the, funny, thing, was, that, yeah, this was, one, of, the, first, things i, i, discovered, crypto, started, going, to rush, like, workshops, dev, workshops, and, 17

but, i, think, in, 2018, i, went, full-time just, like, i, want to, learn, about, the space, i, want, to, find, a, job, i, want, to, do stuff, in, here, and, i, start, asking questions, really, on, a, fundamental, basis of, like, you, know, what, is, crypto, what, is blockchains, what, is, technology, like, what what, is, cryptography, who, created cryptography uh, and, when, i, wrote, it, it, was, just, like i, couldn't, i, wanted, to say, through, the history, i, first started, talking, to, crypto, people, again, i realized, i, couldn't, really, i, didn't, i basically, didn't, shut, up, about, this stuff and, then, i, think, that's, when, i, realized i, should, i, should, i, should, write, this down um, and, i, think, i've, the, series, was mostly, finished uh, when, the, time, i, went, to, my, first, ever crypto, conference, uh, in, may, 2008, 2018 that's, right

uh, in toronto, for, edcon um, i, was, a, sponsor, it, was, a, sponsored trip, like, some, people, uh, bucky, pooba, in sydney funded, me, to, go, on, a, scholarship, to, go to, the, conference, and, i, didn't, know anyone, i, didn't, have, any, friends, so, in the, hashtag, edcon, hashtag, for, the conference, i, just, posted, like, i, kept, on posting, this, link of, like, the, 70s, intro, to history, on, uh, before, bitcoin, and surprisingly, i, met, a, few, people, such, as philip, um and, chris, safer, like, who, were, working, on brain, bot, and, i'm, token, back, then, like just, different, people, i, know, all, the, way to, today, that, like, actually, like, came across, what, i, wrote, and, then, i, actually

read, all, of, it because because, you, just, tweeted, out, the, the link, with, the, hashtag just, because, you, speak, barely, like, i barely, had, any, crypto, followers, or anything, and, i, was, just, like, spamming that, hashtag, of, like, hey, check, this, out the, history, of, crypto that's, hilarious, uh, not, not, too, many people, know, this, but, i, kind, of, have, a similar, like, entrance, into, crypto, for, at youth, denver, 2018., i, wrote, out, some essays, that, i, thought, would, be interesting, and, i, didn't, have, a, medium account, i, didn't, know, what, a, medium account, was, at, the, time, uh, and, so, i printed, out, these, essays, and, i, was handing, them, i, literally, had, a, backpack that, felt, like, 20, pounds, of, paper, and, i was, handing, them, out, physically, to people, at, east, denver, 2018.

i, think, uh, some, of, the, early, cypherpunks did, that, as, well, uh who, it, was, but, you, know, they, were handing, out, the, cypherpunk, manifesto, and paper, to, people right, they, were, doing, that, in, the, 80s and, 90s, right yeah, that's, right, good, point okay, so, uh the, the, very, basic, question, that, i, think i'll, start, with, is, like, how, what, was your, first, entrance, into, crypto, how, did crypto, land, in, your, life honestly, um, i, think, well, i, think, this went, back, to, 2012, and, 13, when, i, was online, i, was, like, doing, weird, internet things, i, was, like, learning, how, to, like it's, like, they, were, online, they, were

like, weird, firms, about, things, such, as like, how, do, you, social, like social, engineer, systems, so, you, can, get like, free, cans, of, red, bull right or, like, you, know, you, learn, it's, like, it was, a, whole, forum, about, like, you, know weird, tricks, in, society, like, in, life sort, of, it's, like, real, life, like, real life, exploits, yeah, it's, like, really exactly, real, life, exploits, and, bugs, that were, sort, of, harmless, right, like, how, do you, get, three, cans, of, red, bulls, like, he messaged, the, support, being, like, oh, my god, i've, bought, six, cans, and, they're absolutely, nothing, in, all, of, them they'll, air, i, wanna, i, would, like, a replacement please, right, or, like, how, do, you, get, a small, fry, at, mcdonald's, for, free, just, go when, it's, busy, and, awesome, you, missed they, missed, it, right, um, like, we, had

little, society, bugs, like, this, and, that and, one, of, the, forms, was, like uh yeah, they, were, like, you, know, it's, like hey, you, can, earn, several, dollars, a, day clicking, captures and, uh, that, happens, to, be, a, site, where you, basically, like, it, it, was, like bitcoin, falls, back, in, 2012, or, 13. uh, and, that's, where, i, discovered, bitcoin i, just, like, for, a, day, or, two and, like, you, know, barely, sense, just clicking, on, captures, and, like, getting bitcoin, from, different, drips, and, faucets and i, think, that's, when, um yeah, and, i, didn't, think, too, much, about it, i, was, like, this, is weird, why, am, i, doing, this, this, is i'm, gonna, stop, doing, this, this, is, like, a very, little, benefit, to, me, was, it, was, it because, of, the, money, or, just, because, you

could because, i, could, i, was, like, fascinated with, i, like, set, up, wallets, i, was, like collecting, like mini, bits, of, satoshi's, every, time uh, and i, just, went, down, different, rabbit, holes you, know, uh, on, the, internet, like, that, so like, you, know, i, still, have, the, account to, today, so, it's, like, today, it's, like seventy, dollars, maybe, right, but, i, like it like, wow, did, you, were, you, one, of, those few, people, that, actually, kept, the private, keys, of, their, first, bitcoins they, ever, got yeah, i, i, i, i, actually, surprisingly, i don't, know, how, i dug, it, up, but, i, like, i, remember, one, day i, was, just, like, looking, like, i, wonder, if like uh, i, have, anything, i, just, like, searching my, email, and, yeah, i, still, have, it actually, too, bad, the, airdrops, aren't

really, a, thing, on, bitcoin, because, those wallets, would, have yeah yeah, um, so, i, learned, about, that, then skip, didn't, care, anything, about, it, i, was really, like, working, mostly, like, tech startups, in, sydney in, like, 17 uh, 16, and, 18, and, um around, that, time, period, and uh, i, sort, of, got, bored, of, like, building web, 2, and, i, think, i, started, exploring again and and, you, know, i, think, i, started, hearing about, like, i, think, in, the, mid, early, 17 like, people, talking, about, investing, and figuring, out, how, like, you, know, uh, and, i was, like, wait, what's, ethereum, and, i learned, there, was, like, many, different cryptos, other, than, just, bitcoin, like, i heard, about, like, omg, made, safe, like

see, a, coin, and, like, what, the, hell, is gnosis, i'm, like, what, the, hell, is, all, of this uh, and, then, that, uh wasn't, so, basically, like, watching youtube, [ __ ], coins, for, like, you, know, she coined, videos, for, a, while, until, i, think in, september, october, of, 2017, where, i went, to, my, first, ever um, crypto, workshop, where, uh, that, bucky pupa, the, legendary, dev, of, the, godfather of, crypto, in, sydney, basically, it, was back, then, like, running, uh, four, hour workshops, at, the, time, several, times, a week, around, like, what, is, a, private, key what, is, a, blockchain, network, it's, like what, does, i, can, you, know, what, does, it look, like, to, run, a, light, node, sync, a light, node, right, like, and, that's, when when, i, went, to, my, first, one, i, was, like basically, like, it, blew, my, mind, like

whoa, that's, like, this, is, way, more, than just, like uh, speculative, investments, this, is, like entire, like, platform, like, this, is something, that, was, gonna, be, super, huge and, just, like, fell, down, the, rabbit, hole pretty, hard, like, i, went, to, every, one, of the, workshops, pretty, much, um afterwards, and, um yeah, and, uh, i, think uh, that, was my, entry, into, crypto so, there's uh, often, at, least, for, people, who, come into, the, ethereum, community, there's, like two, aha, moments, there's, the, aha, moment of, like, oh, this, crypto, thing, is, for, real and, it's, here, to, stay, and, then, there's the, aha, moment, is, like, oh, this, crypto thing, is, really, all, becoming encapsulated, by, ethereum, did, you, have those, two, aha, moments, as, well, it's, not

like, you, definitely, had, the first, you just, described, it, was, there, anything like, that, aha, moment i, to, be, honest, i, i, was, definitely, an, xrp holder, in, the, beginning, i, like, bought everything, i, bought, litecoin, i, bought monero, i, bought, xrpl, i, was, like, and, i think, i, showed, up, to, that, dev, workshop being, like, yeah, i'm, an, investor, like you, know they're, like, what, are, you, investing, in like oh, like, ripple's, gonna, be, totally, like revolutionizing, the, future, thank, you, and they're, like i, sort, of, now, understand, why, they're looking, at, me in, a, weird, way um, and, i, think, over, time, like, what, i, i just, realized, that all, these, really, shady, people, were, like hanging, around, all, the, other, projects and, only, really, the, real, developers, and

builders, were, hanging, around, like ethereum their, phone, community, so, i, sort, of, like naturally, like you, know, made, that, realization, of, like oh, this, might, be, the, most, legitimate, one right, uh, you, know the, developer, that, you, were, talking about, who's, leading, the, workshop, when, he was, talking, about, private, keys, and blockchain, networks, was, he, was, he, using it, is, ethereum, as, like, the, model, or, was it, more, just, like, technology, independent no, it, was, definitely, a, theory, he, was showing, me, uh, if, like, light, node, syncing he, was, showing, us, how, to, deploy uh, erc20, contract, through, remix uh, you, know, and, we, were, using, like, you know, i, think, e4, wallet, back, then, as, well um yeah it, was, like, very, eccentric, so, yeah, yeah when, you, were

you, said, you, got, bored, with, uh, working in, web, 2, and, you, work, for, tech, startups so, what, were, you, doing, for, tech, startups like, what's, your, like, technical, skill set, before, you, came, into, crypto, um yeah, i, was, a, ux, designer, so, i, talked, to all, the, users, right, so, uh, the, last project, like, web, 2, product, i, walked, on was uh, cans, aid, so, it, was, like, basically, uh this, it's, basically, like, if, you, have cancer, you, uh, mostly, like are, guided, by, treatment, plans, and, uh like, uh, you, know, based, on, paper, right like, you, know, there's, no, real, way, to actually, like, deliver, information, uh real, time, from, like, yourself, to, like, you know, clinicians, right, so uh, like, the, whole, uh, life, cycle, of, like getting, cancer, and, like, going, into

prevention, and, like, treatment, like, it was, just, it, was, like, in, chalk, and, like stone, basically, right, so, it, was, like, i was, working, an, app, that, basically collected, all, the, data, fed, it, to clinicians, and, i, was, a, person really, understanding, talking, to, all, the cancer, patients, clinicians, family members, everyone, part, of, the, journey, and just, like, understanding, the, problem space, this, was, like, very, early, on, with the, startup, now, still, running, today, um and uh, yeah, i, was, i, just, talked, i, was, the person, to, talk, to, everyone, uh, and, put details, into, a, doc and, uh, distilled, them, into, products, and like, features, and, problems, and, data, to biz, dev, marketing, and, uh, you, know product, and, you, know, i, designed, ui and, but, you, know, a, lot, of, it, was, talking

to, people what, about, that, like, behavior, or activity, do, you, see, yourself, like recycling, skills, into this, current, web, 3, crypto, world i, yeah, i, i, sort, of, feel, like, i, hadn't like, with, community, building, i, just, like um well, i, feel, like, with, community, building that's, a, lot, of, what, i've, done, in, the last, couple, years, and, still, do, a, lot, of today, like, at, least, helping, projects think, through, this um and, i, would, say, that, a, lot, of, it, is, just like, i, take, a, i i, really, i, guess, take, a, lot, from, product design, and, your, design, and, user, research because, i, think in, product, design, right, like, you the, heuristic, or, that, what, you're, taught is, basically, to, really, focus, on, user

needs, and, you, know, build, empathy, with users, and customers, right, and, i, feel, like, the equivalent, of, that, of, being, user, like, of having, user, and, product, obsession, in, web 2, is, like, the, website, equivalent, is probably, like, being, community, for, us, and having, empathy, for, community, members right, so um i, think, that, it's, really, the, same, thing and, like, design, in, general, it's, like design, is, a, process, right, of, like, id like, identifying, problem, space, i, getting solutions, testing, it, iterating, getting feedback, right, and, with, product, design you, know, i, guess, so, being, ui, designer web, designer, or, mobile, designer, you, just basically, you'll, assign, specific, mediums in, which, you, execute, design, for, it, right

um, like, you're, you, know, whether, you're, a graphic, designer, as, well, visual, designer motion, designer you, have, techniques, and, tools, to, solve the, problem, right, or, create, a, outcome, or create, experience, i, feel, like, with, um you, know, building, communities it's, really, designing, you're, designing an, outcome, you're, designing, an environment, designing, a, journey, for people, to, go, on, to, reach, a, certain, goal and, instead, of, uh, you, know, wireframes, as being, the, medium, which, you, express, the design, through, you're, doing, that, through uh, communication, text, storytelling organizing, the, layouts, of, discords, even to branding, to, you, know, all, these, things and, to, relationship, building, your, these are, your, tools, and, you, know, instead, of

me, looking, at, sketch, and, drawing, boxes all, day and, doing, using, drop, shadows, it's probably, more, uh, like, people, are, more, of the, interface, of, community, building, so this, is, the, analogy, i've, always, i've always, had uh, you, know, and whenever i'm, stuck, i, usually, think, like, what how, do, i, design, myself, out, of, a situation, or, someone so this, is, really, interesting, and, i'm trying, to, figure, out, the, right, question to, ask, um so, it, feels, a, little, bit, like, social engineering, right, where with, ux you're, trying, to, optimize, towards, an outcome, my, social, engineering, has, like, a very, negative, connotation, but, right, like it, does, it's, a, very, shady, it's, very shady, connotations, like, it's, not, good right, but, also, like, almost, explicitly

crypto, is, um we, are, trying, to we we, have, tools, to, tinker, with incentives, what, does, that, mean, we're tinkering, with, social, dynamics, right, and in, the, intro, to, the, show, i, always, say cypherpunks, know, that, the, code, they write, creates, social, systems, or, impacts the, people, that, use, it, right and, so, like, when, we're, designing, these communities, like, when, you're, a, ux designer, you're, trying, to, just, basically ease, the, frictions, to, get, the, outcome that, you, want, right, like, we, have, this outcome, we, want, to, make, as, many, users, as possible, go, through, the, complete, process and, actually, achieve, the, outcome, with like, communities, they're, almost, like isn't, an, outcome, because, the, community needs, to, define, the, outcome, all, your, job is, to, do, is, to, get, people, into, the community, right, and, have, the, community

figure, out, the, outcome i, think, it different, communities, uh, can, exist, in different, ways, right, like, you, know, the way, you, describe, it, like, you, know, the community, decides, to, outcome, totally right uh, but, a, part, of, that, journey, is, like helping, like, often, like, times, it's, like facilitating, that, discovery, of, what, that community, wants, right and, creating, like, and, creating, clarity right, like, that, is, also, the, process, and once, you, have, some, love, clarity, it's like, people, like i, guess, your, job, is, to, help, people, get that, right um, so, in, a, way, it's, very, it, definitely is, very, uh, emergent, but there's, also, something, very, like operationally, rigorous, about, like, once you've, like, identified, what, the community, wants you've, often, also, had, to, help, the, king

to, get, momentum, and, find, uh, make, it steps, towards, that, right, um that's, why, i, think, oftentimes, like the, moment, in, which, a, community, really becomes, alive, is, often, when, like, you find, the, community's, trust, win, it's, like you, know, there's, plenty, of, groups, that come, together, that, want, to, do, things, but they, often, fizz, away, because, nothing ever, gets, done, there's, no, ownership right, um, and, oftentimes, i, feel, like, the the, key, there, between, like, fizzling, out and, like, really, becoming, something special, where, everyone, jumps, on, and, adds on, is, like you, know, sparking, the, first, win, the first, victory, for, that, group, uh, and getting, making, sure, that, it's, a, a victory, that, everyone, can, feel, sort, of some, sense, of, ownership, around, right do, you, think, that, like

so, imagine, a, hypothetical, community, has come, together, there's, a, decent, amount, of energy, in, there, but, there's, no, w's, yet there's, no, winds, but, there's, some semblance, of, shared, purpose, and reasoning, goals, in, some, direction, as like, we, don't, know, where, our, winds, are going, to, be, but, we're, going, to, be they're, going, to, be, over, here, like, where are, they we're, going, to, go, that, way, find, a, w, out there, right do, you, do, you, think, that, like, maybe, the actual, instantiation, of, finding, that, w can, actually, change, uh, the, out, the, the direction, of, the, community community's like, well there's, there, were, there's, 30, degrees, of direction, that, we're, going, to, go, we're actually, going, to, go, 30, degrees, to, the to, the, left, or, and, we're, also, going, to go, 30, degrees, to, the, right, but, we're going, forwards, but, the, actually, find, the

the, wind, 30, degrees, to, the, left, and, so everyone, stops, going, right, and, and because, the, wind, was, over, to, the, left the, wind, actually, dictates, the, future direction, have, you, seen, anything, like that i've, seen, communities, well, yes, i definitely, hesitated, that, but, i, feel like, the, story, of, medical, is, the opposite, oh, tell, me, a, lot, of, medical, a lot, of, medical, toe, has, been, like, i've always, been, very, like i'm, very, like, uh, organized, so, like, i want, to, like, make, sure, we, like, find, when structured, wins, but, it's, always, like, i feel, like, whenever, i've, tried, to, guide the, community, in, many, ways um, it's, what, i've, ended, up, achieving, is more, like, incept, like, performing inception, to, people, being, like, making sure, that, like, you, know, it's, like, we need, to, get, go, somewhere, let's, go, i

think, we're, in, this, direction, and, then like, people, some, people, resist, that, sort of, the, meme, doesn't, catch, on, and, i'm like all, right, whatever, and, then very, naturally, we, actually, do, go somewhere, because, people, are, generally aligned, with, like, the, requirements, of where, we, need, to, go, and strangely, enough, it's, like the, answer, is, very, emergent right, and, then, over, time, i, realized, that you, know, you, need, enough uh, chaos, and, noise, to, exist uh, you, know, like, some, that, is, actually something, like, you, know, a, good, thing, you want, a, lot, of, uh you, know, like, sort, of, friction, and, like bouncing, you, want, ideas, to, float, in, and out, you, want, there, to, be, collisions, of ideas, and that's, sort, of, where, you, know yeah, the, memphis, and, that's, why, i, think

you, know, um yeah, direction, comes, from, so, like, i realized, instead, of, like, forming direction, frost uh, you, know, like, one, of, the, things, i, the mentality, shifts, i, went, from, in, terms, of making, doubt, proposals, was, like, instead of, like, pointing, in, a, single, direction first, i, you, know, i, started, writing proposals, that, really, just, outlined, the vision, of, where, we, want, to, go and, then, getting, alignment, there, and then just, like, holding, discussions, around that, vision, and, then, very, naturally, the the, sort, of, the, actual, tactical um, direction, really, emerges, from, some, of the, members, right, like, it, just, it, sort of, clicks, when, the, right, meme, comes abroad, right, um yeah, and, and, so, that's, how, i've, learned sort, of, how, to, operate

there's, there, seems, to, be, like, a, chicken and, an, egg, discussion, here, right, like, do the, visions, dictate, the, winds, or, do, the winds, dictate, the, visions and, i, mean, it, sounds, like, there's, an interaction, between, those, two, things do, you, have, an, opinion, on, which, one's more, important i, don't, think, the, uh, sometimes, one, is important, but, like, sometimes a, long-term, direction, is, impo, is, more important, than, the, current, short-term focus, but, sometimes you, need, to, also, run, with, it, sort, of like, i, feel, like, running communities, or, fostering, communities, is a, bit, like, being, sort, of uh, a, dj, sort, of, like, you, know, you're like uh, you're, mixing, tracks, that, work, well with, each, other, you, should, you, sort, of

know, what, tracks, you're, putting, on, but at, the, same, time, you're, reading, the, room and, the, next, track, that, you, thought, was going, to, be, good, 20, minutes, ago, might not, be, the, right, track, now, like, you, know uh, but, there, might, still, be, this, overall theme, and, that, you, want, to, like, mix throughout, the, night, with, right, like that, you, have, a, certain, set, of, song selections, right, that, you, want, to, like play, within, uh, and, there's, no, right answer, but, like, um you, know, so, i, think, you, have, to, be really, present, and, sort, of, have, your finger, on, the, pulse, on making, sure, you, go, explore, the, areas that, the, community, wants, explore and, at, some, times, make, trade-offs, to just, like, project, into, a, certain, area because, it, needs, to, go, where, it, needs, to go right, and, i, think, that, is, like

the you, know, like, it's, like, not, too, much salt, not, too, little, just, just, right, just just, enough, right, so um that's, a, another, cooking, analogy, i, guess it's, like, you, know yeah it, makes, sense, because, when, you're, i'm not, i'm, not, a, dj, i, think, you, are, or, at least, you, very, much, appreciate, people that, dj yeah, i, appreciate, my, uh, warehouse, raves and, sounds, yeah, okay, okay, so, it, seems, to be, like, the, the, shared, goal, behind, like a, crypto, community, a, community, at, large but, like, what, we're, really, talking, about crypto, communities, and, a, dj, is, like there's, a an, energy, right, there's, a, vibe, that, must be, sustained, uh, and, the, dj's, job, is, to sustain, the, vibe, while, also, directing, it

right, like, making, sure, the, vibe, stays alive, uh, and, same, thing, with, it, with, a community, right, like, there's, a, vibe, and the, best, thing the, the, goal, of, a, community, is, to, make that, vibe, shared, by, more, people, right, so djs, want, their, music, to, be, listened, to by, more, people d5, communities, or, crypto, communities want, their, community, values, to, be, shared and, vibed, with, by, more, people, and, then have, that, vibe, become, like, stronger, and stronger, and, stronger, over, time, right like, it's, just, like, this, core, energy, of like, there's, probably, uh, other, examples as, well, and, also, like, time, is, perfect yeah yeah, no, this, is, a, perfect, way, to describe, it, and, um yeah, and, there's, uh, you, know, it's, like

oftentimes, in, dallas, it's, like, get, [ __ ] done, or, have, fun, or, do, both, and, like, you want, to, have, a, bunch, of, mix, of, both, and do, things, within, that's, in, line, with, the vibe, of, a, community, right yeah, and, like, there's, got, to, be, some sort, of, semblance, balance, between, like play, and, work, and, play, right, because, if you're, all, if, everyone, in, the, dow, is working, and, no, one's, playing, well is, that, really, a, vibe, but, also, if everyone's, playing, and, not, working then, like, the, vibe, is, going, to, die, yeah because, like, all, the, economic, resources are, going, to, get, expended yes, absolutely, right, uh the, whole, coming, like, it should, be, a chat this, should, be, a, chat, it's, like, the trade-off, of, like, nice yeah, it's, like, the, future, like, nba, the

the, crypto, version, nd, it's, like vibing, working, it's, like, we've, got, to find, the, perfect, triangle, like, of equality, here, you, know, um we're, working, hard, playing, joints yeah, the, conjoined, triangles, of, vibing and, uh, working, i, don't, know there's, something, here, somebody, else take, this, and, run, with, it, um, peter, what was, the, the, first, like, crypto, community that, you, felt, aligned, with, and identified, with good, question, um [Music] i, would, definitely, say, um, i, came, across oh, that's, right, yes, this, is, um, so my, first, crypto, conference, like, in, uh

may, of, 2018 you, know, at, contemporanto the, day, before, the, conference, on, i, went to, this, event uh, where, you, know, like, people, were talking, about, eip zero, it, was, a, um, back, then, i, think, the firm, community, was, like, basically, in, a bit, of, a, [ __ ], show, like, you, know, because the, uh, eip 999, just, happened, which, is, basically this, like, idea, to, hard, fork, right, oh, no no, it, was, like, i, think, parity's uh, proposal, i'm, not, sure, what, it, exactly was, but, i, think, it's, parody's, proposal to, like uh, like, hard, fork, ethereum, but, that, was shut, down because, like, there, was, like, a, parody multi, stick, hack, yeah, no, that, that, i think, that, was, right, yeah, uh, and, the

funny, thing, was, also, vip, 999, backwards is, like six, six, died [Laughter] um, so, yeah, people, were, talking, about, uh yeah, zero, um, i, mean yeah, p9, and, i, said, like, you, know, huge contention, because, like, if, i'm, hardcore uh, from, the, dow, and, that, happened, right but, what, about, parody, motorcycle, you know, blah, blah, blah, so, the, ip0, was, a effort, to, basically, go, around the, entire, film, community, to, collect feedback, on, how, ethereum, should, be governed, what, its, values, were, right, uh it, was, one, of, the, first, attempts, to really, put, this, on, paper, right, um there's, a, reference, to, layer, zero, here somewhere, with, eip, zero, it's, like, the

genesis, of, the, genesis, of, the, culture right that's, right, and, i, think, uh, that, was, an online, survey, and, i, was, like, helping like, collate, the, survey, responses together, right, in, a, figma, board um, but, i, that, was, a, meetup, like, held, by the, shared, magicians, that, was, in, charge of, like, hosting, discussion, about, uh, yeah zero, and, uh, eip, uh, 999, and, i, think, there was, like, justice, steiner, like, uh, it, was lane, red, tag, like uh hudson, um i, think, griff, uh, griff, green, they, were on, a, couch, and, there, was, like, a, you, know some, downtown, toronto meetup, space, there, was, like, lfo, there like, all, the, people, i, saw, on, twitter, but were, like, just, on, all, that, like, rl, on

the, couch, like, talking, about, this, stuff and, i, was, just, sitting, there like, this, like, little you, know, dumb, nut, just, like, listening, in and, like, trying, to, keep, up and, i, think that, resonated, because, they, were, truly trying, to, like, protect, something important, which, is, like, this, like, the community, around, ethereum, right, making sure, it, doesn't, like, fragment, and, you know, making, sure, governance, was, sort, of sort, of, conducted, in, an, open, fashion i, so, i, really, that, i, think, that's, the first, community, i, really, like, resonate with, and, like, forest, man, was, sort, of really in, the, in, the, weeds, helping, coordinate everything, i, was, trying, to, do, i, wasn't, i couldn't, really, participate, in, any, of the, discussions, so, i, just, like, did, the dumb, stupid, stuff, like, hey, i, cleaned, up the, github, issues, i i, tagged, all, the, posts, you, know, um, i

wrote, the, notes, for, this, right, um, i, did things, such, as, like, oh, let's, like, don't know, anything, about, the, product, managers in, ethereum, and, web, free, back, then, so i'm, going, to, do eve, product, interviews, right, on, on everyone, on, all, the, pms, i, knew um, and yeah, and, at, that, meet-up, i, just, like remember, being, like, wow, this, is, like it's, like, such, a, privilege, potentially to, like, contribute, to, something, so, big right, um and, that, was, like, what's, the, strong impression, i, was, like, i, wanna, i, want, to do, important, work, one, day, i, like, these people having, the, ethereum, cat, herders, as, your first, community, that, you, uh, came, into with, is, an, insanely, awesome, answer, i, was expecting, to, hear, some, random, community that, like, died, out, a, few, a, few, months

later uh, if, i, joined, today, it'd, be, like, i'm like, hey, i, joined, this, like, social, token thing, like, um it's, like, we're, all, getting, tattoos you, know, like getting, tattoos, there's, yeah, i'm, sure there's, gonna, be, an, organization, like that, if, it's, not, if, not, already, oh, it exists, oh, yeah, wait, oh is, it, is, it, the, nft, or, what, is, it non-funding, yeah yeah, hashtag, shout, out, to, proof, of, ink dal, proof, of, ink, dao, i, have, not, inquired as, to, how, i, get, my, ink, um, they're, not real, tattoos, though, right no, they're, 100, real, there's, about, like actually, 7, 21, oh, boy, i'm, not, sure, i'm ready, yeah, yeah, yeah okay, hang, on, i'm, not, done, with, the ethereum, cather's, uh, section, yeah, why why

i, you, you, hinted, to, it, but, i, just, want to, want, you, to unpack, and, elaborate, like why, did, you, decide, to, commit, so, much energy, to this, organization, that, you, just, met, like what, what, motivated, you, to, do, like, the basic, stuff, even, when, you, couldn't understand, the, bigger, stuff to, be, honest, when, i, first, i, guess, uh joined, this, film, like, when, i, i, guess, it goes, back, to, before, bitcoin, that, series tonight, like, i, originally, would, join just, so, like, i, want, to, like i, knew, like, i, think, late, 17, after, going through, the, workshops, i, knew, that crypto, web, free, interference, was, like going, to, be, like, it, was, the, most, i, was so, i, didn't, i, couldn't, explain, it, to someone, very, coherently, i, couldn't, i didn't, do, anything, in, it, meaningfully but, i, just, i, knew, it, was, like, the, the

first, meaningful adventure, that, uh, you, know of, crypto, really, which, was, like, my dedication, of, time, and, energy, it, was like, i, just, was so, sure, that, this, was, going, to, be, a thing, it, was, like, almost [Music] undeniable, like, i, just, felt, so, obvious and, i, was, like, it, just, made, sense, to, get a, head, start, i, had, a, friend, on, everyone else, and, like, learn, about, all, of, this before, it, became, even, more, complex uh, and, then, you, know, that, when, i, went into, sort, of, the, history, of, cryptography and, realized, this, connection, to, the cypherpunks, um, i sort, of, became, very, inspired, by, the sacrifices, and, all, the, work, that, people did you, know, back, in, the, 70s, and, 80s, and, 90s and

i, really, you, know, for, the, first, year, you know, the, at, least, from, the, start, of, my journey, into, ethereum i, felt, very, inspired, to, like, do something, meaningful, like, do, work, that would, be, eventually, like, recognized somewhere you, know, like, in, the, like, like, in, 50 years, later, like, my, my, one, wishes, was like, have, some, piece, of, work, that, i've like, walked, on, just, like, remembered, as like, somewhat, sort, of, a, building, block right, um so, like, that, was, very, inspiring um, and, so, i, felt, like, this, was, important worthy, work, that, like, needed, to, be, done and, no, one, else, was, going, to, do, this, nor could, i, really, concentrate, in, any, other fashion, like, you, know, everyone, else, was back, then, everyone, was, hiring, developers

but, no, one, needed, like, uh, community builders, or, like, comms, like, you, know people, who, can't, code, effectively, right on, engineers um, so, i, felt, like, this, is, the, best, grunt work, i, can, do and, uh, serve uh, this, sort, of, movement, right, so, that's what, i, did and, so, your, resume, also, includes, being, a very, early, if, not, the, earliest, member, of metacartel, when, did, uh, how, far, ahead, in the, story, am, i, skipping, ahead, here um, you, know, maybe, so, metacattle, really the, formations, happened, you, know in, september of, two, of, i'll, try, that, yeah, 2018.

that's, right um, so yeah, like, i, think, you, know, basically medical, originally, was, a, technical working, group, around, a, ux, solution, known as, meta, transactions hence, the, name, right, right, wow, that, is, a trip, yes, yes, okay, sorry, keep, going, yeah so, in, the, same, ad, con, um, i, believe, in toronto, there, was, the, ux, unconference and, that, that, new, york's, unconference alex, vanishan, presented, universal, logins a, ux, login, solution, that, was, that, used gasless, voting, and, multi-sig, key management, right, um, and, that, was, like revolutionary, and, like, everyone's, like oh, my, god, this, is, like, the, future, of, us we're, gonna, bring, mass, adoption, you, know

mass, adoption, is, like, solved, um, and i, guess, this, his, technologies, like, he outlined, he, didn't, really, alex, anderson didn't, invent, meta, transactions, but, he's the, first, one, that, really, popularized, it and, then, brought, it, into, the, minds, of everyone, right um and, so, uh, his, video, uh, tournament universal, login, spread, around, and, you know, i, think, you, know, um, i, started working, project, uh, that, you, know, also wanted, to, work, uh, in, the, same, areas, meta transactions uh, so, and, i, think, the, first, ever, like real, life, working, group, that, emerged around, meditations, was, in, uh, the, first ever, east, berlin in, 2018 um, and, yeah, that's, and, i, remember, very distinctly, almost, photographically, like

the, first, meeting, of, mp, like, different people, from, staff, from, nurses, like people, and, status, just, gathering, in, the um, hall, of, uh, factory, berlin um, you, know, just, hey, like, we're, here like, let's, talk, about, meta, transactions and, how, do, we, stand, what, do, we, need, to do, like, standardize the, contract, interface can, we, create, a, decentralized, meta transactions, network, and, after, that event, we, started, a, telegram, group, which is, which, we, is, still, alive, today, which is, like, the, main ecosystem, chat, from, metacartel, like, it's sort, of, just, like, general, news, and, stuff like, that, but, you, know um, where, we, started, the meta, transactions, working, group, and, then we, thought, that, was, a, boring, name, after a, couple, weeks

well, you, know, so, we, like, put, up, a, vote on, which, name, we, should, name, the, working group, and i, think, you, know, we, named, it, metaconsole because, actually, that, wasn't, the, first name, we, voted, on, for, the, first, name, was el, cartel, della, meta, i, mean, that, was like mp's, like, it, was, just, like, a, weird, it was, like first, vote, it, seemed, it, won, the outstanding, vote, but, like, it, just, was not, very, easy, to, pronounce, so, like the, second, most, bad, meme, bad, me immediately, bad, meme, it, was, like, not even, like, that, long, it was, like, half, a day, later, we, realized, this, is, bad let's, change, it, to, the, meta, cartel um and, the, one, that, was, voted, in, was, like metal, with, a, metal, space, cartel, and, they were, like, no, and, then, mp, was, like, no, you put, it, together

right, uh, so, it's, like, metaconsole, and then that's, uh, i, guess, the, meme, is, like, were the, only, ones, working, on, reddit transactions, uh it's, a, cartel, knowledge, uh how, many, people, were, there, in, the instagram, chat, at, the, time no, more, than, like, 17, 20, and, i, and, so, we were, running, the, meetings, we, were writing, meeting, notes, and, we, wrote, down everyone, who, attended, as, well, so, i, think like, you, know, we, saw, the, hackmd documents, like, back, then, where, it's, like we, also, i, also, wrote, like, a, blog, post overview, of, all, the, problems, you're trying, to, solve, right, um and, yeah, it's, like, no, more, than, 25, 20, 20 people, trying, to, work, on, this, back, then um, yeah and, so, that, a, group, of, people, were working, on, these, like, problems, that, uh

we're, trying, to, solve, that, reminds, me, of uh, one, of, the, talks, that, i, listened, to at, mcon, where, somebody, it, might, have been, you, actually, talked, about, how meta, cartel, was, formed uh, at, least, at, the maybe, it, was, the, meta, cartel, venture side, trying, to, fund, projects, that, were solving, the, problems, that, meta, cartel ran, into, and, so, like, kind, of, uh, linking this, back, into our, discussion, about, like, how, a community, establishes, a, vision, for itself hey, it's, very, very, emergent, but, it, seems to, be, like, this, community, just, formed formed, around, like, hey, there's, this technology, called, meta, transactions, it can, be, a, huge, ux, upgrade everyone, here, believes, and, sees, that vision, of, the, huge, ux, upgrade, so, let's

form, a, group, around, this, and, all, of, a sudden, that, group, turned, into, a, more instantiated, community what, was, the, next, steps, after putting, everyone, into, a, telegram, and like, finding, a, name, for, the, organization what, happened, next uh, yeah, i, guess, the, fun, fact, was, austin griffin, was, the, first, one, to, join, that telegram, group, chat, as, well yeah, yeah, i, saw, the, screenshot, that's like um and, so, yeah, after, people, joined, um, we like, met, offline, a, couple, times, like east, san, francisco, where, we were, like hung, out did, things and, then, it, was, actually, it, was, like, in october, like early, october, we, had, east, san, francisco and, that's, where, the, medical, logo, came about, as, well um

logo, is, a, chili, pepper, in, a, sombrero, it worked, that's, dancing, and, uh, miraculous and, it, was, mp yeah, dictate, and, it, was, frankie, nines, as well, like, drawing, the, thing um, and, when, it, came, out, i, was, like, this is, awful, like, i, wanted, to, be, a, serious serious, like, research, group, i, was, like, i need, a, job, i, sort, of, need, some credibility, like like, you, know, i'm, like, putting, effort into, this volunteer, sort, of, organ, like come, on, like, and, then, like, people, love the, chili, logo, and, i'm, like really well, at, the, same, time, ethereum, had, his unicorn, logo, were, you, maybe, you're, in the, mindset, of, just, like, hey, i, need, to look, professional, because, that's, what this, world, is, about, is, that, the, mindset yeah, yeah, yeah, i, think, i, had, this

mindset, of, like, i, need, to, look professional, because, like, for, us, like i'm, like i'm, like, getting, to, the, end, of, the, year and, i, haven't, like, done, anything like, you, know, i, haven't, like, and, i, like me, to, like, i, was, like, i'm, running, out, of money, i, like, i, need, a, job, like, i'm, like that, was, like, like, like, okay, yeah, um and, but, you, know, like, i, grew, to, love, it over, time, but, you, know, back, then, i, was like, oh, god, really, just, like okay, whatever, i, was, like, disgruntledly like, accepted, the, logo, so, that's, an example, where, like, i, really, wanted, to, be one, thing, but, the, people, loved, it, which we, went, with, it, right, so um yeah, and, and, i, guess, the, unique, part about, the, initial, seed, of, medication, was that, there, was, a, lot, of, people, who

joined, the, community like, a lot, of, people, that, was, part, of the, initial, tech, working, group, around use, experience weren't, like, ephraim, ogs, there, were definitely, some, right, like, really, like people, who, were, around, like, stefan, from gnosis, and, people, like, that, but, um it, was, like, a, lot, of, new, people and, i, think, that's, what, like, really spiced, up, the, group, from, the beginning it, was, just, like, people, who, came, in, 17 early, 18, who, just, like, were, application scrubs, like, we, didn't, like, we, couldn't walk, on, like, baseline, stuff, we, couldn't work, on, scaling, we, just, like, wanted, to build, cool, stuff, right, like, for, end users, and, that's, what, we, cared, about um, and that, i, think, ceded, a, lot, of, the, dna, of like, medication, which, is, like, you, know have, fun

do, things, like, run, it, like, sort, of, run and, gun, like, you, know uh, move, fast, and, experiment, which, is, the opposite, of, the, fearing, back, then, which is, like, how, do, we, like, build, the, next thousand, years, of, ethereum you, know, how, do, we uh, you, know, yeah, build, all, this infrastructure, we, we, just, wanted, to expand, and, move, faster it, was, a, fairly, counter-intuitive, sort of mindset, as, well, like, and, then, and, that's what, actually, i, think, like, signaled, and attracted, all, this, all, the, interesting people, that uh, became, metacottol, um, you, know, like you, know, early, on there's, definitely, this, uh, like generational, phenomenon, where generations, in, crypto, find, themselves like, they, all, like, we, all, got, into

crypto, with, the, same, background, like, we all, we here's, like, the, centralized, blockchain scam, that, we, all, fell, for, at, the, same time, uh, and, then, and, then, we, found ethereum, all, of, us, more, in, the, same, like few, months, or, so, and, then, yeah, everyone finds, like, commonality, in, that, when, they actually, got, into, into, crypto, hey, guys in, the, second, half, of, the, show, the, story of, meta, cartel, continues, uh, it, is, an endless, story, it's, a, long, term, games story, so, the, story, by, hopefully, by definition, does, not, end but, unfortunately, we, have, to, break, up the, podcast, to, talk, about, some, of these fantastic, sponsors, that, make, the, show possible, gemini, is, the, world's, most trusted, cryptocurrency, exchange, i've been, a, customer, of, gemiini, since, i, first got, into, crypto, in, 2017, and, it's, been, my

main, exchange, of, choice, to, make, my crypto, buys, and, sells, gemini, is available, in, all, 50, states, and, in, over 50, countries, worldwide, and, on, gemini there, are, markets, for, over, 30, various different, crypto, assets, including, many of, the, hot, defy, tokens, and, it's, one, of the, few, exchanges, that, has, liquid, dye markets, gemini, just, launched, their, earn program, where, you, can, earn, up, to, 7.4 percent, interest, on, 26, various, crypto assets, if, you're, tired, of, paying, fees, in defy, or, you, don't, want, to, worry, about defy, exploits, but, you, still, want, to, earn interest, on, your, crypto, assets, gemini earn, is, the, product, for, you, another product, i'm, stoked, to, get, my, hands, on, is the, gemini, crypto, back, credit, card, which gives, you, three, percent, cash, back, on, all of, your, purchases, but, paid, to, you, in

your, preferred, crypto, asset, when, i, get my, gemini, credit, card, i'm, going, to, make sure, that, i, get, my, cash, back, in, eath, so whenever, i, buy, something, i, get, a, little bit, of, eath, bonus, back, to, me, at, the, same time, you, can, open, up, a, free, account, in under, three, minutes, at, gemiini.com go, bank, list, and, if, you, trade, more, than 100, within, the, first, 30, days, after, sign up, you'll, be, gifted, a, free, 15, bitcoin bonus, check, them, out, at, gemini.com, go bankless the, ave, protocol, is, a, decentralized liquidity, protocol, on, ethereum, which allows, users, to, supply, and, borrow certain, crypto, assets, ave, version, 2, has a, ton, of, cool, features, that, makes, using the, ave, protocol, even, more, powerful, with ave, you, can, leverage, the, full, power, of

d5, money, legos, yield, and, composability all, in, one, application on, ave, there, are, a, ton, of, assets, that you, can, supply, to, the, protocol, in, order to, gain, yield, and, all, of, those, same assets, can, also, be, borrowed, from, the protocol, if, you, have, supplied, collateral here, you, can, see, me, borrowing, 200, usdc against, my, portfolio, of, a, number, of different, defy, tokens, in, eth, i'll, choose a, variable, interest, rate, because, it's, a lower, rate, than, the, stable, interest, rate option, but, i, could, choose, the, stable interest, rate, option, if, i, wanted, to, lock in, that, interest, rate, in, permanently v2, also, features, the, ability, for, users to, swap, collateral, without, having, to withdraw, their, assets, trade, them, on, unit swap, and, then, deposit, them, back, into, ave with, ave, users, can, do, this, in, one

seamless, transaction, saving, you, time, and gas, costs, check, out, the, power, of, ave, ave dot, com, that's, aave.com um, but, i, just, want, to, keep, on, on, going with, the, story, so metacartel, formed, after an, alliance, behind, like, trying, to, work on, um, meta, transactions, came, up, with, a name, came, up, with, a, logo what, what, was, the, motivational, energy, to keep, this, organization, like, cohered, was it, was, it, considered, an, organization, at this, point, or, were, you, still, kind, of, in this, like, oh, yeah, there's, like, a, group of, people under, this, like, label, like take, us, from, the, pre-organization, to actually, an, organization, yeah yeah, that's, a, very, good, framing, uh, yeah

it, was, like honestly, because, it, had, like, the, chili logo, and, i, think, because, that, helps, much actually, like, i'm, so, thankful like, because, of, that, because, like, if, it was, a, serious, thing, i, might, have, treated it, more, like, a, serious, thing, but, because i, had, a, chili, logo, and, like, had, all these, amazingly, like, smart, people, crowd around, it, and, like, for, some, reason solely, gained, a lot, of, legitimacy like, you, know, just, like, had, smart, people coming, in, to, like, collaborate, and, solve problems, and, uh, i, but, despite, that, i just, sort, of, thought, of, it as, a, huge joke, that, got, bigger, and, bigger, like, we like, printed, out, a, medical, shirt, and like, gave, it, to, alex, vanderson, to, wear and, we, printed, the, logo, on, the, wrong side, of, the, shirt, it, was, backwards, so, we like, you, had, to, make, a, purpose, like, alex

jennison no, we, made, a, mistake, it, was, just, like some, printed, shirts, and, for, some, reason the, logos, on, the, back, were, like, who, the hell, did i, didn't this um and, then, we, wanted, to, have, alexanderson wear, it, but, he's, just, like, oh, yeah, i'll work, backwards, so, i, don't, know, if, you can, find, him, in, 2018, in, prague, he, was giving, a, talk, and, he, uses, totally backward, shot, like, just, looks, weird, um and um, yeah, and, then, we, were, like, oh, my, god like, alexander, since, worrying, about wearing, the, medical, shirt you, know, and, i, think, then, i, had, a, i remember, the, interaction, where, i, was trying, to, give joseph, lubin, and, sitting, in, the, front

row, a, medical, toll, logo, like, syco, and he's, like, what, the, hell, is, this, and, i just, sort, of, shied, away, i, didn't, explain it, i, was, just, like look, have, it, and, what, this, is, enough um, and, so, yeah, anyways, uh, we, try, to solve, my, transactions, over, the, new, like i, think, at, prague, is, when, we, made, a breakthrough, and, like, you, know, a, lot, of the, main, problems, were, solved, around meta, transactions, and, uh, that's, where the, gas, station, network, came, about, when tabuki, really, made, this, like, the, design shift, you, know, um and yeah, i, think, it, would, i, i, think, in, the new, years, like, early, 2019, uh, 19, then like, you, know, denver, or, whatever, like, i wasn't, at, the, very, end, but, like, and, a lot, of, the, research, problems, are, over, so

i, felt, like, okay, this, is, this, was, like, a fun, thing, this, is, done, i didn't, even, think, about, it, right, until, i think, like, uh you, know, people, someone, was, like, in, the telegraph, chat, like, hey, like, where, are we, meeting, up, and, this, was, like, for, eve denver, like, we, have, to, do, what like like and, and, i, guess, at, that, point, we, had like, spent, a, lot, of, time, together, as, a group, like, we, had, we, you, know, hosted dinners, that, we, took, out, whole restaurants, out filled, up, the whole, restaurant, you, know we've, like, did, a, lot, of, research, calls offline, and, online, and it, became, i, think, when, the, first, person volunteered, to, you, know like, volunteer, to, run, the, meet, up, and fund, the, meet, up, and, like, find, sponsors

and, it, autonomously, came, together, i think, that's, when, i, really, started taking, medication, very, seriously, i, was like, wow, this, is, like, there's, now, a community, here, it, is, not, just, me, trying to, keep, it, alive, you, know, um, and, i, think that's, when, i, was, like, okay, like, i'm gonna, dedicate, this, next, year, um, like, i love, time, boxing, initiatives, and, sprints like, i'm, gonna, time, box, one, more, year uh, or, one, year, to, purely, focus, on growing, medication, as, a, community and, i, just, knew, that, it, was, a, very valuable, hub, of, people, who, are, very application, uh, minded, and, i, didn't really, know, where, i, would, go, i, like, you know, i, talked, a, lot, with, drew, harding and, james, young, like, back, in, late, 2018 about, like, should, we, create, like, a, dab development, you, know, studio, adventure

studio can, we, create, a, gap, incubator, and, i think, that's, where, my, mind, went, it's like, how, do, we, get, more, adapts, how, do, we build, more, daps, and, how, to, experiment with, more, use, cases, and, it, took, on, more generalistic, sort, of, focus, of, like, let's build, stuff, that's, useful um absolutely, did, not, get, that, off, the ground, because, you, had, no, credibility there's, no, money there's, anywhere, um, no, track, record, as well, and and, you, really, failed, to, like, i, think we, tried, literally, trying, to, form adaptive, incubator, but, we're, like, where do, we, get, money, like, i, don't, know, like do, you, know, like, racism, you, know no, one, has [Music]

how, do, you, do, this, thing i don't, know, so, um, we, fluffed, around, for a, bit, more, until, i, think and, that, was, also, when, molecule, was launching, and, i, think, james, young, was talking, about, molecular, to, me, yapping his, goddamn, ear, off, to, me, like, you, know about molotow, dabs, and, i, basically, like, uh blocked, any, sentence, in, my, mind, while, i can, doubt, in, it, for, like, a, while, until, i think, i, realize, that, like, when, markdown made, its, first, grant uh, and, i, was, like, wow, like, this, is, the first, ever, doubt, i've, ever, seen, or, like existence that, is, actually, like, creating, growth valley, today and, that's, when, i, really, like, started, to hook, up, and, like, oh, wow, i, want, to, join this, thing

um, and, you, know, obviously, they, didn't let, me, because uh, i, was, poor, and, i, no, one, knew, who, i was, as, well um and, uh, but, you, know, that, was, the, moment where, i, was, like [ __ ], you, guys, i'm, gonna, uh create, my, own, dao or, like, as, a, joke, just, it, was, initially a, joke, i, had, a, chat, a, call, of, cassandra and, a, meme, like, as, a, after, like, a debrief, of, like, why, the, [ __ ], was, i, like not, allowed, to, give, away, my, own, money and, volunteer it, wasn't, like, yeah, and, then, um, they're like, why, don't, you create, your, own, jail oh, turn, medical, telling, the, dow, i'll launch, it, down, from, medication, and, i, was

like, great, let's, why, not, do, like, a, grand style, focusing, like, a, molecule, but, focus on, like, out, of the, application, layout right yeah, that's, what, made, a, cartel, that, was my, first, impression, of, metal, cartel, was just, another, moloch, dow, but, with, a more, specific direction, of, what, it, wanted, to, fund, and it, was, like, it, was, moloch, dao, for, the, ux layer, is, that, right yeah, absolutely, and, i, spent, about, a month talking, to, fill, my, days, up, of, course like 10, 12, calls, at, a, time just, talking, to, everyone, i, knew, in, the space, which, is, not, a, lot, and, just, ask everyone, for, money, to, put, it, into, a, dow um, and, i, think, that, back, then, now, was sort, of, not, exciting, but, not, exciting

enough uh, and, i, think, like, you, know, we announced, it, down, like, you, know, but surprisingly, i, guess, when, we, announced it, more, publicly, people, really, wanted, to experiment, downs, and, i, think, even, more after, when, like, joseph, lubin, and, vitalik uh, and, consensus, yeah, put, in, like, four million, four, five, million, dollars, in somalia, i was, like, oh, wow, this, is, like this, is, happening, right, so, um, but, even then, we, could, barely, scrape, together, a hundred, fifty, thousand, dollars, by, june um, to, launch, the, thing, like, it, was honestly, a, dire, sort, of, effort, of, like and, it, was, i, guess, like, we, scraped together, maybe, a, thousand, one, point, five thousand, beef at, the, time, it, was, just, like, a, hundred dollars, roughly, or, even, less, even, than that um

oh, no, it, was, definitely, last, it, was, like 900, e, 800, yeah, um, and uh, we, were, just, like, trying, to, figure this, out, i, was, super, scared, like, never done, it, down, before uh yeah, it's, like i, was, like, shaking, like, and, we, had, a first, down, meeting, and, i, was, like trembling, in, my, voice, i, was, like, trying to, get, people, to, introduce, themselves right, and, i, was, like dude, do, people, want, to, do, stuff, now, then like, people, like, do, people, like, this like, i, just no, frame, of, reference, i, was, just, like scared, and, trying, to, do, things but, the, going, back, to, some, of, the, things we, were, talking, about, at, the, very beginning, of, this, is, like it, seems, to, be, that, meta, cartel was, definitely, a, balance, of, work, and

play, right, like, they, had, this, goofy, logo had, this, kind, of, funny, name, um there, wasn't, really, a, shared, vision, or shared, direction, that, was, very, well defined, yet, but, the, vibes, were, very strong, it, sounded, like, like, one, thing that, met, a, cartel, had, going, for, it, was like, really, really, good, vibes, uh, and then, we, enter, like, the, whole, moloch, dao phase, where uh, you, know, amin, kind, of, pioneered, uh the, whole, like, making, daos, cool, again um, and, then, meta meta, cartel, was, probably, was, just, like right, behind, the, whole, dow, movement, it's like, well, what, whatever, we, don't, we still, don't, know, what, our, our organization, is, going, to, be, about, but, we

can, at, least, formalize, it, into, a, dow, and kind, of, go, from, there, um, we, we, would, you say, you, were, like, the, lead, community organizer, or, lead, community, manager, of medicine, i, was, the, time, i, was, the, i, was a, lead, uh, slave, of, medical, hotel, the, the drummer, eye, drummer, yeah, i, i, did everything, and, anything, uh, the, community wanted, me, to, do i, was operating, in at, its, wish i, was enforcer, right, like, you, know, uh and to, be, honest, like, now, i, haven't, like thought, too, much, about, that, time, period when, like, just, trying, to, formalize, what is, medical, telling, you, know

what, it, is, like, as, a, dow, right, um, i, was holy, god, pretty shitless, scared, i, was, like literally, did, not, know, what, i, was, doing i, was, like i, hope, this, like people, don't, get, pissed, that, i'm, like wasting, the, time, i'm, like, it's, just, like and, when, people, committed, i'm, like, i'm just, like, make, sure, you, commit, the, eve right, like, and, the, unborn like like, it, was, basically, i, don't, know, like it, wasn't, it, was, through, if, a, scan, yeah we, got, everyone, to, onboard, free, to, scan you, know, for, the, contract, uh, interface there yeah and, we're, like, trust, me, like, this, is legit, like, this, it, was, like, instructions in, the, notion, doc, and, i, just, like, made crm, being, like, just, ping, everyone, to

like, on, board um and, i was, like, just a, lot, of, fun, scared, i, was, like, yeah, like you, know, like, people, who, commented, like hundred, east, and, like, they, were, very important, commitments, and, i, was, just trying, to, make, sure, that, like, they, came for, a, right, um but, then, we, got, off, and, running, and, i think yeah, a, lot, of, those, people, i, knew, a lot of, people, reaching, out, like, uh, that wanted, to, join, and, it, was, a, mix, of, like people, that, just, i, think, were, ready, to experiment, like, in, hindsight, it, was, like a, very, forward, thinking, like everyone, who, uh, sort, of, pledges, of menopausal, doubt, at, the, start doing, fascinating, things, now, today, just like it, was, like, really, like, people, who wanted, to

build, downs, and, experiment, and, they, were the, first, people, who, took, the, leap, of faith, i, felt, like, with, molok, it, was, a lot, of, eth, whales, but, these, people, with medical, at, all, like, we, raised, the minimum, pledge, amount, to, you, know, 10 years, from, 100 so, it, was, like, a, lot, more, like, ordinary people, builders, and, like, less, east whales, and um you, know, that i'm, like, i'm, like, ever, like, so, thankful to, anyone, who, even, pledge, anything, to that, down, like, back, then, because, without their, leaves, of, faith like, it, would, not, be, like, we, would, never have, done, the, experiment, like, it, was literally, people, like, you, know, uh you, know, just, people, from, the, community being, like, look, here's, a, hundred, each like like, yes, experiment, you, know, like, and

i'm, like thank, you, sir, like, you, know like, you, know, like i, i, just, it, was, i, really, couldn't, help them, back, uh, you, know and, uh, i, think, that's, what, i, really checked, about, the, culture, of, like, let's just, do, it, like, you, know um [Music] and, yeah, so, and so, very, so, like, internally, thankful, to like, everyone, who, like, pledged, back, then and, just, like, or, even, retweeted, or, even supported, the, thing, like, you, know, yeah so, why did, you, give, a, [ __ ], so, much, like, if, it was, if, the, direction, of, meta, cartel, was undefined, and, like, the, vision, was unrealized, and, and, the, direction, like, no one, really, knew, what, you, were, doing, and

you, didn't, even, know, where, meadow, cartel was, going, why, did, you, put, so, much, energy into, it, why, did, you, commit, to, so, hard yeah, so, in, early, 2019, uh, i, mean, yeah, i was, like, trying, to, like, i, was, give myself, some, leeway, of, like, okay, let's spend, a, couple, months, trying, to, figure out, medical, stuff, we'll, commit, a, yeah but to, be, honest, two, three, months, into, the year, when, i, was, kind, of, failing, to, get the, dap, incubator, stuff, off, the, ground i, started, looking, for, jobs, again, i, i, was like, applying, to, places, for, pm, rolls comes, yeah, yeah, like, crypto, jobs, it, was like, coms, rolls, community, management roles, like, ops, roles, anything non-technical no, one, would, hire, me, like, no, one, would like, pick, up, like, respond, to, my, like application, seat, like, no, one, would, and, i was, like, i'm, so, [ __ ], like

i'm, like oh, my, god um, like, i'm, like getting, pretty, broke, like, this, is, you know, uh, like not, good, like um, and, i, think, like, the, medical, things like, when, i, when, i, was, rejected, and, this prospect, of, like, building, it, down, like you, know, like, it, was, the, decision, of like go, fund, it, continually, finding, a, job, or like go, continue, wandering, in, the, desert and, like, just, like, be, accept, this, a, bit like, this, possibility, that, i, might, just get, fully, lost, and, like, not, come, back out, alive, or, well, and, i, think, to, do anything, really, out, there, and, creative you, just, you, have, to, accept, and, the, fate this, potential, fate, that, you, might, just

get, really, lost, enough, and, it, might, not be, a, good, outcome, right, so, i, just, like, i was, like, [ __ ], it, you, know, this, is there's, a, chance, that, like, doing, the first, focal, mallet, was, going, to, be, a really, big, an, interesting, experiment this, is, potentially, a, chance, like, make, a mock, right, like, you, know, uh, in, the, space and, uh, yeah, i, just, went, went, into, it, and i, think uh, that's, when, actually, like, finance tech, from, finance, x, they, were, doing fellowships they, have, plenty, of, money, back, then, so, i guess, they, were, just, funding, like, cool projects, in, space, of, fifteen, thousand dollars, five, thousand, dollars, a, month, so it's, like, a, three, month, uh, thing and, that, came, in, super, clutch, yeah, like i, would, have, that, just, like, funded, like you, know, i, got, to, believe, it, was, super

cheap, lots, of, kebabs you, know, i, split, the, payment, the, fifteen thousand, dollar, payment, uh, five, thousand dollar, payment, every, month two, free, ways, some, to, pee, some, to, alex hoffman, who, was, working, on, the, dow, back then, some, to, uh, myself, and um just, like, that, was, super, clutch, and, then once, we, had, money, in, the, dow, i, was, like okay, like, i, was, just, sort, of, every, now and, then, like, begging, for, some, money you, know, like, hey, here's, a, can, i have, a couple, thousand, like, two, thousand, two three, thousand, dollars, three, four thousand, dollars, in, there, like, literally like, every, two, or, three, months, this wasn't, like, a, weekly, thing, it, was, like three, months, later, i, was, like, i, had, no money please, i, need, to, go, to, death, garden, like five, thousand, dollars

um and, um, yeah, people, like, yeah, of, course but, to, me, i, was, like, just privileged, to, like, welcome, the, thing, um and, yeah, and, you, know, surprisingly we, had, uh we, got, somewhere, i, guess, and, i, think, a lot, of, the, we, didn't, know, what, we're doing, just, like, funding, different, things like, we, founded, kickback, we, funded, uh like, dao, ideas, right, and, i, think, that's when, we, started, going, from, just, dapps, to like, thinking, i'm, more, about, taos, of like okay, we, have, grand, doubt, but, what, about doubts, parties, at, sponsor, events, right what, about, dows, that, are, like, uh, that are, projects, how, do, you, turn, a, project into, a, gal, how, do, we, uh, can, we, take, a create, a, dev, shop, down, right, uh, what about, an, investment, down, like, an

upgraded, version, of, the, grand, stamp, that could, actually, valid, capture, right, like um, and, that's, where, i, think, a, lot, of metacartal, ideas, were, like, you, know, from there, was, like, really, discover, and, also question, like, what, is, the, future, we, want to, build, here, like, why, are, we, so interested, in, dallas, and, that, and, i think, in, the, latter, part, of, 2019 especially, when, we, had, an, off-site, we called, mcon, zero right, which, was, like, 15 of, us just, like, coming, to, denver, for, an off-site, after, you, know, um, after, uh osaka, devcon we, like, came, together, to, talk, about, like what, are, the, values, of, mendicots, or, what uh, the, visions, that, we, wanted, to, build like, in, web3, um, and what, are, we, going, to, stand, for, like, what is, what, are, we, going, to, work, on, and, you know, and, that, was, a, very, pivotal, sort, of

like, moment, it's, a, time, period, for medical when, did, you, go, into, that, conversation with, your, own, answers, as, in, what, you wanted, to, see, meta, cartel, turn, into absolutely, none yeah you, were, there, to, listen yeah, i, was, the, guy, i, was, like, let's, do let's, hang, on, denver, and, then, like, oh people, were, like, yeah, let's, do, it, um and, i, was, just i, was, like, mind, blown, that, like, we, could get, like, 15, brilliant, people, from, the internet, to, meet, irl, in, denver, um, it's just, like, that, was, mind-blowing, itself like, let, alone, m, con, the, recent, m-con one, like, we're, like, got, 700, people, to come, together, right, um and, i, think, like, there, was, a, moment, in like

the, our, brainstorming, sessions, and, our airbnb, were, like what, like, what, do, we, what, is, our, vision and, just, like, super, quiet you, know, one and, then, i, think, i, just, like, started ranting, like, without, any thought, in, my, mind, like, everything's gonna, be, a, game, like, you, know, and, then people, i'm, like, yeah, like, you, know, this is, like, the, [ __ ], economically, for, like that, will, turn, everything, into, a, game like, you, you, know, you, can uh, like, schools, will, be, gaming, like, work will, be, gamified, right, like, you, know, um you're, walking, down, like, everything, will be, we, just, like, started, ranting, like you're, being, absurd, about, the, future with, what, we, knew, about, dallas, right and, we, wrote, it, all, down, into, this, thing called, the, web, free, manifesto, um and, uh, that, we, shouldn't, probably, use

that, as, an, investment, pieces, in hindsight, as, well you, know, we, shouldn't, have, just, like voted, down, and, did, do, not, too, much, with it, um but, and, then, we, wrote, down, a, valley, we that, was, a, bit, more, you, know, there, was more, clarity, of, that, i think, we, could put, it, down, but, um, that, was, a, very spontaneous, moment, in, the, middle, of, that room, where, we, just, like, sort, of, had, like yeah, like really, express, like where, we, thought, the, future, was, going and, like, that, was, like, a, strong, driving force, of, like, we, want, to, build, this, like world, that, was, more, equitable, richer, you know, fairer, right, um and, a, place, that, could, benefit, more, and more, right, and, create, more, and, increase less, scarcity, um you, know, so, like

and, yeah, i, think, um, that's, one, of, the uniting, factors, i, think, of, medical, it's not, only, our, values, and, like what, we, care, about, but, also, like, we, all generally, i, think are, like, deltas, like, we, were, like, either like, not, like, coders, or, like, product people, like, you, know, traditionally, it's like, everyone, who's, there, is, like, here to, build, the, future, and, like, of, like what, what, pre, is, and, like, uh, to, explore the, frontier, right, and, none, of, us, there were, like really, i, think, like really, in, it, for, the, tech, basically right, um um, that's, one, way, to, describe, it how, did, you, you, speak, about, um the, the values, in, this, conversation, where, you just, started, ranting, and, other, people were, there, and, everyone, was, sitting, in, a

in, a, circle, all, trying, to, come, to, terms with, how, they, didn't, have, an, identity about, what, this, thing, was, but, everyone realized, that, they, needed, one, and, no, one knew, what, the, answer, was um how, or, why did, this, whole, um growing, the, pie, um, attitude, or, um sustainable, wealth, approach, and creating, wealth, and, sharing, it, like that's, for, something, i, find, very, very deep, with, and, one, of, the, reasons, why, i'm attracted, to, the, whole, meta, cartel cohort, of, individuals, is, like they know that the, cool, thing, about, web3, and, ethereum is, that, we've, found, ways, to, generate wealth, sustainably, uh, and, we, get, to, the and, the, more, we, actually, share, it, the

more, we, actually, get, to, generate uh, that, took, me like, i, only, kind, of, discovered, that mental, model, like, very, very, recently some, of, the, meta, cartel, people, have, been talking, about, this, since, since, day, one can, you, just, talk, about, how, that, sort, of vision, and, ethos, arose, who, like, who voiced, these, opinions, the, loudest, what did, they, say, how, did, it, come, about i, think, that, um, this, was, from, the, very very, start, of, like um medical, from, the, working, group, days, like it, just, made, sense, that, like, why, are, we like, talking, about, like, meta transactions, in, isolated, pockets, let's come, together, like, what, much, more powerful, smarter, you, know, we, can, get much, more, done, by, collaborating

and, there, was, just, like, this collaborative, energy, i, think, from, the very, very, very, start, um, we, took, that energy to, events, like, to, create, events, to uh, we, took, that, energy, into everything, we, did, and, i, think, that really, was, the, driving, forces, like, and then, i, think, like, somewhere, early, along the, lines, i, i, knew, this, african, proverb called, like, if, you, want, to, go, fast, go alone, if, you, want, to, go, far, go, together and, i, just, like, slapped, it, somewhere, and everyone's, like, yeah, that's, like, that's our, thing uh, so, that, and, then, so, i, think, that, was like, this random sort, of, meme, that, clicked, as, well, you know and, i, think this, is, where, like, everyone, who, really carries, it, like, really, has, ownership

over, this, everyone, truly, believes, it, in the, bottom, of their, hearts, that, this, is like the, best, way, to, actually, conduct ourselves, in, web, pre, to, work, with, each other, right, like, we, have, meta, consoles like, a, community, of, different, gals, and different, people, like, we, don't, have, a single, gal, anymore, right, so, it's, just initiatives, of, medication, and, despite that, we, all, try, to, support, one, another's initiatives, we, try, to we, we, are, like, this, social, fabric, that collaborates, with, events, and, you, know the, reason, i, think, we, still, stick together, is, because, like everyone, who's, like, drawn, to, it, i generally, like, feel, that, like, we, can benefit, one, another, by, like actually, up, in, a, very, positive, sub manner, and, just, like, uh, people, curation i, think, was, a, big, focus, throughout, all of, medical, talk, too, just, making, sure, you

had, very, well, well, natured, like individuals who, are, more, who, are, givers, than, takers right um, and, we, looked, for, other, givers, in spaces, and, brought, them, in um and i, think, that, is, like, sort, of, the, key, key right, like, you, know, um and yeah, we've, had, to, remove, a, few, bad apples, over, the, years, only, a, few, to, be honest, but um, yeah, like, i, think, there's, a, huge focus, in, curation, and, there's, this energy, at, the, start, as, well um when if, ever, did, the, conversation, about economic, sustainability, come, about, there was, ever, a, moment, it was, like, hey, guys

like, it's, really, cool, that, we're, that, we give, away, money, but, like, you, can, only give, away, money, for, so, long, until, you run, out, of, money, right, did, the conversation, of, like, how, do, we, make metacartel, economically, sustainable, ever come, about yeah we, did throughout, the, whole, time, but, and, i think, it, was, only, that, it, only, got became, more, of, a talking, point, when um, i, think, like, i, really, started, to, burn out, in, like, early 2020, just, complete, burnout, i, think, like barely, just, got, ventured, out, up, and running, then um and massive, burnout, just, like, loss, of motivation, like, wanted, to, i, was, like instantly, when, i, burnt, out, like, secluded to, myself, from, all, social, media, or

communications, like, two, weeks, and, i think, like i, i, just, like, realized, what, i, was, doing like, walking, like literally, insane, hours, like, uh, like it, would, be, i, don't, even, count, the, hours like, this, is, the, only, thing, i, did, every day, and, i, had, one, day, off, and, i, would just, be, a, vegetable, for, that, day, and, i think, like that, creative, energy, that, that, you, sort of, like have, the, the, type, the, energy, that, you know, makes, you, go, wander, in, the, desert aimlessly, in, search, of, me, you, know, sort of, something, interesting, to, build, right that, does, have, a, short, fuse, on, it, like uh, and, you, know, if, you, can't operate, in, that, mode, which, i, was operating, the, last, two, years, then, very you, know, in, a, sustainable, fashion, and i, think, that's, when, we, started, thinking

that's, when, we, started, formalizing, roles pedro's, but, by, then, it, was, sort, of, like okay, like, i'm, like, totally, like, burnt out, i, just, need, space, and, time, right um in hindsight, now, that, you, are, where, you, are have, you, gotten, more, financial, capital by, working, for, or, with, meta, cartel, or social, capital that, that, was, the, thing, i, realized, uh when, i, burnt, out, that, like, social capital, doesn't, put, food, on, the, table doesn't, pay, for, flights, doesn't uh, pay, for, it, you, know, you, can't, fund other, people, with so, like, you, can't i, was, i, also, saw, other, starving, teams and, projects, that, were, doing, amazing things and, i, just, was, totally, helpless, almost

like, in, helping, them, and, i, just, felt like terrible, i, was, like, i, literally can't, help, you, i, can, reach, like you, know, i, can, tweet, about, you, but, you know, i, can't, actually, like, put, food, on the, table, for, you, right, and, i, think, that was, like, a, very, and, that, experiencing that, myself, made, me, realize, like, oh, wow like it, you, know, i, think, i, went, from, very idealistic, like, this, let's, just experiment, to, like, oh, wow, like, if, we were, sort, of, powerless, without, any resources, and, we're, not, being sustainable, and, not, generating, more resources, or, accumulating, more, as, a community, right, um we, can't, we, don't, we're, sort, of powerless, right, and, and, you, know uh, and, if, we, care, about, others and, we, want, to, help, others, when, we, have

this, like, responsibility, to, make, sure, we are, sustainable, and, that, we, are, actually do, like, you, know uh grow, resources, and, grow, leverage, grow ability, to, help, people, and, um, like, like resources, wealth, uh governance, power, influence, social capital, all, of, this, i, feel, like, it's totally, meaningful, as, uh, like meaningless, unless, you're, able you're, able, and, willing, to, use, that, to like, benefit, others, and, like, why, else would, you, like, you, know, like, i, yeah that's, sort, of, the, mind, shift, shift, i sort, of, made, and um yeah, and, that's, sort, of, what, i, think medical, tend, from, like, a, research, house more, into, like how, do, we, like, make, sure, we make, sure, like, the, projects, of, everyone

and, medication, succeeds, how, do, we, make sure, the, people, individually, succeed both you, know, like, from, uh, the, personal, uh you, know, like, you, know, satisfaction, the personal, lives, to, like, the, you, know financial, to, the, create, like, whatever they, wanted, to, achieve, right, like, that it, became, more, of, that, of, a, focus, and i, think, that, sort, of, been, stemming, on ever, since, last, year, and, we're, yet, to maybe, we're, yet, to, like, re-establish what, medical, is, about, but, it's, been, a lot, more, of, that, uh, in, the, last, year, or so, than, just, let's, experiment, for, the sake, of, experimenting, let's, you, know let's, just, give, out, grants, and, do, things without, thinking, about, the, long, term is, that, where, medic, cartel, finds, itself today, is, in, search, of economic, sustainability

i, would, see, that, really, falls, in, the individuals, of, its, members, but, i, would distill, metacartel, like, today, to the, most trust, what, like, i, would, say, at, least from, my, opinion, like, i'm, trying, to, make it, the, most, trusted most good-willed, good-natured, list, of, true like, curated, lists, of, people, in, all, of crypto, right, like, uh, that's, a, highly curated, list, and, um, that's, like, what, it is, it's, like, you, know, that, if, you're, in presence, of, medical, so, you're, in, good company, like, you, know uh, amongst, people, who, play uh, shitty, games, you, know, you're, going, to have, a, certain, level, of, trust, like automatically, the, mood, slightly, you, know you're, more, able, to, express, yourselves and, you, know, let, your, god, down, a, tiny

bit, because, you, know, you're, amongst people, who, are, who, share, your, values, but also, you're, amongst, people, who, are willing, to, like, protect, those, values, as well, right um and, enforce, it, and, to, also like curate, for, those, values, right and, i, think, that's, what, we're, trying, to really, consolidate, medicals, all, around you, know so, does, that, mean, that, metacartel, is more, of, a, social, doubt like, maybe, maybe, i, would, say, yeah, yeah it's, just, a, curated, list, of, good, people yeah, and, i, think, the, love, of, curation, is not, just, like, you, buy, two, but, i, think would, who, knows, if, we're, ever, gonna, have a, liquid, turn, but, like, right, now, as

we're, thinking, it's, like, we, want, to, have like, the, best, curation, like, the, most anal, most, like, back-breaking, level, of curation, as, humanly, possible, like, uh like, yeah, like, uh multi-human factorial vibe, checking, and, not, just, like, we, like this, person, it's, like, we've, walked, into spots, and, we've, interacted, over, a, long period, of, time, they've, shown, how, they make, decisions, they, vibe, well, like, uh they, get, involved, they, lean, in, like, this level, of, like, curation, and, just, making sure, that, like, we, endorse, and, we, like help, the, people, that, are, truly, these gems, that, care, about, the, same, things, we do, succeed, in, any, way, shape, or, form right, with, the, collective, leverage, that we, have right, so

when, medicare, tells, like, culture, and vision, and, ethos vibe, if, you, will, is, like you, must, be, a, good, person, a, provably good, person, person, and, then, also, be, able to, use, that, goodness, for, others, and, have an, interest, in, doing, that when, we, like, that, it's, very, easy, to, have a, positive, son some, nature, when, like, everyone, is, inside of, this, group, with, a, positive, some nature, helping, other, people, with positive, subnatures, helping, other, people with, positive, subnatures, and, so, it's, a great, way, for positive, some, natures, to, rise, to, the, top right, like, you, can, actually, bootstrap but historically, people, always, say, like, you know, nice, guys, finish, last, right, like, if you're, if, you, work, for, others, then

others, will, just, take, advantage, of, you and, extract, that, but, if, you, can, actually put, up, borders, around, the, good, people and, say, like, here, all, the, good, people, go in, here, and, you, find, yourself, with, you won't, actually, find, anyone, in, metacartel that's, extract, only, because, by definition, it's, a curated, people, of, list, a, listed, a curated, list, of, people, that, if, you, give something, to, them, they, give, something more, back, to, you, and, then, you, give something, more, back, to, someone, else yeah, uh, we, celebrate, like, those, that give, selflessly, like, it's, it's, like, we make, sure, we, consciously, like, chant, like you, know, uh, really, uh, acknowledge, and like, you, know, uh, highlight, that, um, and, i guess, it's, like, medications, version, of, a good, person, you, know, like, a, medical, good

doctor, up, to, your your, core, you, might, think, we're, a, bunch of, [ __ ], and, that, is, totally, fine that, is, okay, uh, but, we're, like, a, guild we're, a, fraction, in, this, space, and, we're of, a, certain, flavor and, those, that, are, sort, of, amongst, core or, potentially, very, well, vetted, or, just endorsed, right, in, some, way, should, form you, know, we, will, probably, work, on something, more, formalized, but, for, now it's, a bit, more, like, you, know, amorphous and you, know, sort, of, uh i, guess, like, peer, vouched, um but, we, want, to, make, sure, that, like, you know uh, yeah, there's, a, sort, of, protection, and not, only, protection, but, like, this platform, to, empower, those, right, like, uh that, give, the, most, and uh, it's, like, a, social

have, a download trusting, nature, and, that's, in, the, past it's, definitely, like, cost, me, i've trusted, people, that, i, should, not, have trusted if, this, is, before, crypto, um, in, the, last the, last, few, days, in, colorado, at mcon, a, bunch, of, all, the, amcon, people, the meta, factory, people, went, out, to uh, where, was, it, was, it, breckenridge, or somewhere, in, colorado, yeah yeah, in, um somewhere, so, late, no, no, no, lake, actually but a, group, of, people, they, rented, out, like six, houses, so, we, could, all, go, hang, out with, each, other, in, the, middle, of, uh, the colorado, mountainside, and, uh, almost everyone, brought, their, backpacks, with

their, laptop, and, also, ledger, in, it, and everyone, just, like, tossed, down, their backpacks, into, a, little, like, here, i, put your, backpacks, over, there, like, dump, it over, there and, then, everyone, just, like started, walking, around, the, hills, of colorado, in, varying, states, of, sobriety yeah, yeah, no, one, like everyone, knew, that, everyone, else's ledgers, and, laptops, were, like, right, next to, each, other, and, no, one, gave, a, flying like, it, like, no, one, cared, at, all, that that's, that's, the, first, time, it's, ever come, across, my my, mind, that, like, people's, ledges, and laptops, were, all, bunched, up, next, to, each other in, a, room, those, house, houses, that, were totally unattended i, didn't, know, 50, of, the, people, there like, i, had, like, i, did, not, know, oh, yeah

like i'm, not, actually, in, like, uh, medic, cartel and, so, like, there's, a, bunch, of, yo, yo you're, pretty, you're, pretty, like, you've heard, me, like, most, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah so, like, i, actually, feel, like, you, don't need, to, be, like, part, of, any, specific doubt, to, be, a, medical, community, member nowadays, it's, sort, of, like, you, show, up it's, like, you, you, know, like, you, show, up to the i, don't, know, like the scouts, or, i, don't, know, you, show, up, to the, some, gym, a, couple, times, and, now you're, regular, i, guess, right, right, and yeah, so, are, there, defined, you, are, in meta, cartel, or, you, are, not, is, there, is there, is, there, anything, like, like actually, defined, there i, would, say, varying, degrees, but, we, need to, do, a, better, job, that's, why, i, think

you, know, over, the, christmas, over, the, end of, this, year we're, definitely, gonna, there's, a, clear intent, to, really, work, on, defining, those uh, what, those, boundaries, and we'll, probably, what, we'll, do, is, just like, initially, like come, work, on, a, list, of, 5, 600, people, who are, like, these, metacartal, people to, get, added um you, know ask, us, fill, out, this, type, form, and, this is, the, person, that's, a, bouncer, and, you might, gradually, decentralize, that, like you, know, we, might, give, everyone, a, nft and, say, like, you, guys, every, year, you guys, vote, on, five, people, who, are, the gatekeepers, and, balances, of, this, list just, like, keep, it, super, lightweight, like you, don't, need, to, have, voting, like, you know, curation, is, done, by

the, best, curators, like, you, know everyone's, the, best, curator, of, people um, so, and, i, think, most, people, get, that like, a, lot, of, the, core p, medical, has, been, around, for, ages, like they've, always, like, sort, of, had suspicions, of, like, what like, why, why, is, it, like, many, times, like very, militaristically, like, run, like, wait what, like, you, know, there's, a, lot, of dictator, memes, even, though, we're, down and, like, but, i, think, over, time, they trusted, the, process, that, like, you, know you, give, someone, you, delegate, someone power you, trust, that, is, literally, a, value, of medical trust, trust, like, like, back, others, right like place, your, trust, in, them, right, they're here, for, a reason uh, and, you, know, you, can, withdraw, that trust, any, time, if, you, wanted, to, so, as long, as, that's, uh, you, know

um, go, for, it um, so, we're, gonna, probably, formalize that, some, way, shape, or, form, and, maybe like, you, know, just, something, like democracy, you, know uh, revisited, but, unchanged, it's, like five, people, uh, gatekeepers to, remove, anyone, from, lists, three, people need, a, vote, and, three, out, of, five multi-signers, i, don't, know, um, to, add anyone, two, out, of, five and, just, the, goal, is, to, not, grow, that list, quickly, but painfully, slowly, like, yeah, very appropriately um, now, once, members, every, three, months this, should, be, a, process, that, lives, you know in, the, background mm-hmm um, it, sounds, like, i, think, yeah it, sounds, like, meta, and, i, know sorry, go, ahead, go, ahead, a little, bit, and

i, think, the, end, goal, is, like, you, know and, we, just, have, this, launching, list, of addresses, where, like, you, guys, all, get private, access, to, like, all, these, great things, um, yeah it, sounds, like, meta, cartel, has, actually never, been wholly, defined sounds, like, it's, always, been, a, little bit, of, a, just, like, a, vibe, not, uh not, a, constitution, vibes, only, do, you think, that, like, maybe, that's, actually the, optimum, optimal, path, for, meta, cartel is, to, kind, of, only, be, a, vibe, and, not ever, have, a, constitution that's, a, good, question if, someone, comes, up, with, one, and, we, all

vibe, yeah, why, not, but, you, know, i, think we've, just, i, feel, like, we've, always, just just, done, enough, right, to, like, to, like just, created, just, enough, social infrastructure, for, the, group, to, be functional, and, to, go, where, it, needs, and beyond that, um, it's, i, think, you, get, like, uh diminishing, level, returns, in, terms, of how, much, effort, and, thinking, you, put, in how, much, meaning, do, you, descri, ascribe to, the, meta, cartel, name, like, i, know, it was, kind, of, created, on, a, whim, yeah meta, cartel does, that, mean, name, mean, anything um at, least, to, you it's, sort, of, it's, i, it's, definitely, a

bit, numb, to, me, i, think, you, know, because it's, just, like, it's, been, everywhere, but i, think, the, meaning, of, it, is definitely, of, a, like it's, like, chaotic good, at, its, best it's, like, a, chaotic, good, nature, like sort, of, energy, right, and, um, that's, the sense, i, get, from, it, and, when, i, think about, it, i, think, when, i, think, about medical, it's, all, i, think, about, like, the standards, it's, set in, the, past, by, you, know, the, former members, the, members, in, the, past, the prior, activities, to, be, done, and, it, sort of, makes, me, feel, like, you, know, we, should continue, it's, like, there's, something, to live, up, to, at, least, in, the, past, right, so um

i, and, like, a, lot, of, the, work, we, did, i think, with, in, 2019, and, 18, it's, like, we could, probably, never, replicate, ever again, we're, in, a, totally, different, state of, mind, like, just, focus, as, well um and with, the, right, people, right, growing together, um and, then, in, that, sense, you, know, it's like, a, very, rich i, feel, like, it's, just, this, really, rich journey, and, piece, of, history, we've, all sort, of, been, able, to, share, thankfully, uh you, know, and, different, people, keep joining, it, i, think, that's, something, we want, to, foster, it's, a, journey, that everyone, adds, on, and, on, you, know, like some, of, the, best, most, active, members, you know are, the, new, ones, often, times, right, uh they, bring, the, energy, um, and, the, vibe um, and, i, almost, feel, like, uh, you, know

when, i'm, like, working, with, 1kx, and working, another, dows, and, helping, other people, form, gals, like, medical, is, like, as like, this, element, of, like, chaotic, good it's, such, a, it, gives, it, so, also, so amorphous, like, it's, just, sort, of, very undefined, it's, been, shifted, in, what, it is, over, the, years i, sort, of, use, it, as, this, like almost, this, expression, of, community, this nature, it's, like, you, study, we, study nature, because, it's, not, controlled, it's erratic, and, it's, you, know, um emergent, like, you, know, we, study uh, how, the, forest, grows, how, uh, lightning flashes, across, the, sky, and, we, look, at the, patterns, and, i, feel, like, what metacartel, was, was, this, sort, of phenomena, which, i, often, reflect, upon, and try, to, learn, from, even, years, onwards

right, where, like, how, do, you, run, a community, what, went, right, and, i, try, to take, pieces, of, that when, i, was, you, know, when, you, i'm, like just, in, certainly, tunnel, division, in, you know, because, i, think, you're, in, a different, mode, when, you're, like, working on, something, 100, hours, a, week, completely broke, and, you, need, to, create, something right, you, know, you, like, you're, with, your back, against, the, wall, and, like uh, i, i, definitely, not, uh, at, that, state level, or, in, that, state, of, mind, anymore and, i'm, trying, to, like it's, like, a, fossil, which, i'm, trying, to learn, from, right, right um the if, it, kind, of, feels, like, meta, cartel, is like, um, a, meme, in, the, sense, that, like i, remember, i, worked, as, a, uh, at, an, ico advisory, company, in, 2017, that, was, my

first, crypto, job, and, like, a, number, of the, icos, that, came, through, the, pipeline were, like, tokenized, memes it, was, so, antithetical, right, like, we're going, to, take, a, meme, and, we're, going, to tokenize, it, we're, like you, actually, can't, tokenize, a, meme, a meme, is, something, literally, if, you, try and, capture, it, it, goes, elsewhere, and, i feel, like, that's, that's, why, i, asked, um maybe, metacartel, is, better, off, with, an undefined, vision, because, if, you, try, and define, it, well, what, whatever, meta, cartel is, will, actually, just, route, around, the definition, and, it'll, turn, into, something else, like, great, we, made, we, informally instantiated, meta, cartel well, [ __ ], it, let's, do, a, different telegram, and, like, talk, in, that, one instead i, feel, like, if, you, try, and, capture, it

the, energy, will, actually, just, go elsewhere this, is, a, very, profound, point, actually um it's, a, it's, an, amazing, point, like yeah, because, like, even, whatever, we, do we're, like, i, think, we're, going, to, call it, the, meta, something, or, medical's, thing not, the, metacartel, right, that's, a, meme that, will, like, we've, maybe, like instantiated, maybe, some, of, the, values and, the, visions, that, will, like, be, there but, it's, almost, like it's, like, hidden, it's, like, it's, been it's, been, so, many, blocks, now that, like, it's, just, buried, in, the history, of, ethereum, and, like, fossilized by, all, the, hashes, right, and we, can do, nothing, now, but, to, look, back, and learn, it, what, those, transactions, meant

and, then, try, to, interpret, those, right and what, will, happen, onwards, is, other, blocks we, sort, of, do, make, right um, yeah um my, my, vision, of, metacartel, what, the, name actually, means, like, well, first, you, have meta, and, crypto, people, love, being, meta right, like, we, like, zooming, out crypto, in, my, opinion, crypto, people, are kind, of, tapped, in, to, how, the, universe works almost, better, than, anyone, else, any, other cohort, of, individuals, in, the, world, in the, universe, like, crypto, people, they they, connect, weird, dots, and, then, they get, it, right, right, and, so, they understand, the, world, they, understand, the universe, at, a, meta, level, right, and, then the, cartel, aspect, is, like

uh a, cartel, is, like, the, first, early formations, of, uh, a, government, right, like what, do, you, get, out, of, a, cartel, cartel comes, knocking, on, the, door, and, says, like hey, we, want, to, offer, you, guys, protection and, then, they, people, responded, like, uh protection, from, what, it's, like, oh anything, bad, from, happening, including, us if, you, don't, pay, us, yeah, that's, what, a government, is, right, like, government's like, hey, like, you, gotta, pay, your, taxes and, if, you, don't, we'll, throw, you, in, jail like, that's, just, one's, legitimate, one's brand, new, um, so, like, we, have, this nebulous, group, of, people which, as, as, we've, discussed, are, a, group of, people, with, shared, vibes, shared values, uh, grow, a, positive, some, nature with, a, commitment, to, help, that, positive

some, nature uh be, bestowed, upon, other, people, also, in the, meta, cartel, and, so, while, we, were walking, around, the, hills, of, colorado um i, very, much, felt, like, if, ethereum and, if, the, the, values, ryan, said something, on, the, weekly, roll, up, uh, last week, that, stuck, with, me, and, when, it, was uh, when, you, adopt crypto, protocols, you, adopt, crypto, values and, so, the, idea, is, that, like, when, when you, take, it, when, you, use, ethereum, and when, you, come, become, a, part, of, daos, and you, adopt, nfts, you, start, to, adopt, the values, that, are, embedded, into, these systems, the, values, of, decentralization the, values, of, everyone, is, equal, everyone is, an, admin, and, so going, back, to, metacartel, we, have, this group, that, is, very, very, meta, that

understands, the, world, at, a, very, deep level and self, selects, for, people, that, with, a positive, some, nature that, hopefully, in, my, mind, it, actually, is the, new like, society, the, new, culture the, new, genesis, of, the, new, culture, right because, we, want, to, we, want, to, completely rip, out, the, old, financial, system, inject it, with, this, new, financial, system, and then, as, a, result, of, that, really, what we're, trying, to, do, is, we're, not, just trying, to, get, people, to, adopt, new technologies, we're, trying, to, get, people to, adopt, new, values, and, so, for, me, meta cartel, is, like, the, new social, layer, zero, right, the, new, layer zero, for, not, just, like, crypto, but, for the, whole, rest, of, the, world, and, if medicartel, can, keep, on, self-selecting

for, the, people, that, carry, the, vibe forward, and, add, energy, to, the, vibe hopefully, meta, cartel, uh, blankets, the whole, entire, world, with, its, values, with its, vibe, right, like, maybe, maybe, it's, way too, ambitious, to, assume, that, like, you know, every, single, person's, a, theory mattress, will, be, a, part, of, the, meta cartel, but, i, do, think, that, more uh, sneakily, will, my, cartel, come, to envelop, the, whole, entire, world, by blanketing, the, whole, entire, world, with its, values wow, that's, a, profound, uh, vision, yeah, i, i i, guess, it's, weird, to, see, someone, uh else, sharing, uh talking, about, medical, like, that, because medical, has, just, been, this, like, tragic like, hiccups, series, of, hiccups, and

you, know, misadventures, and, like, somehow we're, like, stumbling, forwards, and, then like, now, we're, here, and um it's, been, you, know, maybe, three, years since, many, castles, been, around, like, who knows, we'll, be, in, like seven, years, and, many, council's, like, 10 years, old, right, um, and, but, i, think that's, like, i, guess yeah, and, i, guess, like, who, do, you want, your, neighbors, to, be, in, crypto right, um, like, men, how, do, you, learn, how to, be, like right, like, um yeah um so, you, know, i, i, think, like we'll, keep, doing, what, we'll, keep, doing and, you, know, i, think, this, has, this

insane, focus, of, like you, know, uh, championing, and, cherishing and, appreciating, great, people, you, know great, people, who, give, and, play, positive some, games, and um, hopefully yeah, it, leaves, the, the, space one, person, better, i, guess, right um, peter, who, are, your, heroes, in, this space oh, man, who, are, your, great, people this, is, super, hard, i, think, definitely like, i, mean, salamani, like uh, he's, amazing, mentor, like, uh, of, of, me helped, me so, many, ways, from, like, lending, me, a couch, to, the, like, massage, bedroom, to sleep, in, in, his, in, spank, house, uh, back in, 2019, was, like, flat, broke

um, i, think um he's, definitely, one, i, think, you, know, and i, think, there's, many, others, like uh, you, know, like the, odyssey, crew, or um, like you, know, uh, yellow, like, james, young, all these, other, people, like, that, i'm, not mentioning, just, like, the, early, medical folks uh, that, are, like, sort, of, really, like shaped, how, i, think, uh yeah awesome, peter, this, is, a, fantastic conversation, is, there, any, anything, any uh, part, of, this, story, that, i, haven't gone, down yet, no, i, think, uh, this, is, amazing, yeah like, i, think, we, really, went, through everything

all, things, metacultural, history, right and, um, we, talked, to, really, we, really went, into, what, it, was, really, about, and i, think, hopefully, those, who, are listening, may, get, a, better, sense, of what, we, are, beneath, the, events, beneath the, memes, beneath, the, surface, layer events, you, might, come, across, the, reason why we, are, the, way, we, are, like, you, know, why we, might, even, be, fairly, selective, and exclusive, in, the, way, we, operate, in, in many, ways, and um so, yeah what's, the, uh, the, biggest, lesson, you've learned, in, crypto, that, you, think, would be, relevant, for, for, listeners, to, hear i, think medical, would, have, never i, think, like, been, this, so, important, to

me, if, i, didn't, like take, a, leap, of, faith, and, just, like, [ __ ] it and, and, you, know, like, just like, i, think, like, to, be, willing, to, just wonder, and, be, lost, like, like, with, with something, that, i, thought, was, important right, so, i, feel, like, you, know, if, you feel, like, something's, super, important you, don't, know, where, it, will, take, you um, but, you, believe, it's, an, important cause, and, mission, and, um, i, would, say yeah, like and, there's, this, huge, ominous, sense, of unknown, like, go, for, it, like, this, this, is like uh, back, yourself, and, something interesting, will, happen when, you, you, use, the, wandering, in, the desert, metaphor, like, you're, out, there broke, wandering, in, the, desert, trying, to

find, something, did, you, did, you, actually find, something, or, did, you, actually, just make, a, settlement, yourself, out, of, this piece, of, the, desert, and, then, that settlement, actually, ended, up, working, out which, do, you, think, is, more, accurate i, think i, don't, know, yeah, um it's, more, like, uh you, know, i, made, enough, noise, attractive village, and, then, that, village, now sustains, who, i, am in, many, ways, right, like, uh it's, like it's, funny, because, i'm, like, almost, uh the, delinquent, of, the, village, or, city that, has, met, a, console, and, i'm, taking

care, of, me, now, like, it's, like, you, know i'm, like, i'm, lost, i, need, a, car, you, know back, to, from, the, mountains, to, denver, i'm like, please, please, help like, you, know like, you, know, yep someone, please, you, know, help do, this, thing or, we, need, a, venue, like, this, brilliant people, stepping, up, and um, yeah, so, like, just, privileged, i, guess peter, thank, you, for, uh, coming, on, layer zero, this, has, been, a fantastic, conversation i, really, appreciate, it, david cheers hey, we, hope, you, enjoyed, the, video, if, you did, head, over, to, bankless, hq, right, now to, develop, your, crypto, investing, skills and, learn, how, to, free, yourself, from

banks, and, gain, your, financial independence, we, recommend, joining, our daily, newsletter, podcast, and, community as, a, bankless, premium, subscriber, to, get the, most, out, of, your, bankless, experience you'll, get, access, to, our, market, analysis our, alpha, leaks, and, exclusive, content and, even, the, bankless, token, for, airdrops raffles, and, unlocks, if, you're, interested in, crypto, the, bankless, community, is where, you, want, to, be, click, the, link, in the, description, to, become, a, bankless premium, subscriber, today, also, don't forget, to, subscribe, to, the, channel, for in-depth, interviews, with, industry leaders, ask, me, anythings, and, weekly, roll ups, where, we, summarize, the, week, in crypto, and, other, fantastic, content thanks, everyone, for, watching, and, being on, the, journey, as, we, build, out, the bankless, nation