Natalie Brunell on Bitcoin strategy amid market fear

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GM good morning welcome to the milk Road show The Daily crypto show where we bring crypto insights faster than your paycheck can lose out on Meme coins I'm your host Jay Hamilton and today we are joined by Natalie Brunell a investor and one of the best Educators and speakers about Bitcoin fellow podcast host of coin stories and author of an upcoming book Bitcoin is for everyone can't wait for that coming out this fall today we are going to talk about Trump's first 30 days in office we're 30 days in everybody can believe how past time goes what's happened so far what are we seeing what major Catalyst might be coming up the current state of the market we got low volumes low volatility low flows dismo sentiment is this a time to buy or a time to sell and finally is

Jack dorsy Satoshi Nakamoto we got to bring that up that is going around crypto Twitter right now before we jump in we just launched a telegram group for the show where we can talk directly with all of you guys on a regular basis so please click the link in the show notes join the telegram group you can talk to myself and the rest of the team and we will ask your questions to our guests or give you guys more insight from all the amazing guests we have today's episode is brought to you by bybit you guys got to check out their new trade GPT it's an AI powered platform that allows you to really simplify looking up tokens and doing an analysis on tokens today's episode is also brought to you by crypto.com one of my favorite cards in the space no annual fees lots of perks

make sure you guys check it out without further Ado Natalie reell welcome welcome to the mil Road Show hey thanks so much for having me appreciate it very excited to have you very excited to have you always nice to have a fellow podcast host on the show you know it brings a bit of a different energy have a little bit more fun a little bit more casual let's start with um are are you buying right now what's your thought there's a lot of a lot of fear out there in the market people are kind of in a bit of panic mode uh particularly those that keep going down the risk curve and buying meme coins like Libra and whatever else it is um what what's your thought on where we are right now so I buy Bitcoin every day iast average yes I have a recurring buy set up on River and

I figure I'm GNA spend 10 bucks just walking out my door so why not spend it on bitcoin right and uh yeah I think that this is a great pullback I think we're going to have some choppiness and some volatility so I'm actually happy that we're under six figures because I think it's a great time to scoop up a little bit more Bitcoin I have some Target buy orders for if it drops even more um and I'm also actually planning on creating a Bitcoin treasury for my company so I want the price to actually stay low I want to scoop up some Bitcoin uh because I know it's going higher and um and eventually it's going to be in the multiple six figure range and it's going to be harder and harder to accumulate as much as I can right now what do you think uh when you say you

have some uh some Target buys how how low do you think we could go in this pullback um I am definitely not as bearish as some people I've heard who think it's going to somehow go to 50K I mean honestly it'd be great I'd be like I'd be buying all day um but no I mean I think it's definitely possible if we have some sort of a more uh macro driven event that it could definitely dip down to the 80k r yeah you think so E Yeah like that's the can we get below this $ 8990 marker I don't know I think would be really tough I think we it would take some some kind of significant event like a like treasury dysfunction some massive selloff of of everything um because of some big scare and right now I mean

unfortunately it's just been a lot of the same choppiness um we know the government's going to have to keep spending money that's just the way it is we have super high interest expense um all these debt obligations that we can't as much as doge is doing we can't chop some of the uh the obligations and the entitlements so um yeah I think uh spending is going to continue to go up and you want own hard scarce assets and the best one's Bitcoin I love that you DCA every day every day I want to know guys everybody listening is anybody DCA every day I don't think many people even though it's like the most obvious strategy in investing like just DCA into like the best assets that you have the highest conviction in I feel like most people listening to the show are they're

trying to allocate to other riskier things so like you're all in Bitcoin yeah you're and you're not are you in any other crypto assets no I'm yesing I didn't start out that way because I was like so many people you know I came in and this is why I really relate to the people in my audience who are newer who are thinking that Bitcoin is Out Of Reach because of the price they don't realize you know unit bias that they can have a couple SATs for uh very little um yeah I I I dabbled I experimented I didn't understand proof of work and so I kind of conflated all of it together I thought well it's based on the same technology it has to be pretty similar and then I went on a yearslong journey that left me as a Bitcoin Maxi but not

one who's going to tell you what you can and can't do with your own money that's your business I just don't think it's wise to invest in other things I think the so I'm not I'm not only in Bitcoin I'm I'm I've got a diversifi portfolio definitely Bitcoin is one of my biggest Holdings uh the thing that that that always strikes me though is part of me wants to just move all to bitcoin because I think I could just basically shut off and not think anymore and there's a lot of stress that comes from managing our portfolio and trying to chase these bigger gains which honestly often ends up not going well H and then and then you're stuck with a

lower Capital base than you started with and it's like well why wasn't I just I could just be like you in DCA every day and not have to think about it how long have you been doing the D daily DCA for it's relaxing it's so Zen um I've been doing it for a while because um River for example offers no fees there are no fees if you dollar cost average so you set up a recurring buy and then I've seen some studies done where um if you do dollar cost average you get a better cost basis at the end of the year than when you try to time the market and like save up a chunk to buy at a certain price plus when you can set up price orders that's great too because if it does dip you can buy a little bit more

than your average um but yeah it's just just it feels good it feels it's like a set it and forget it strategy uh when I was really young I remember my family watched this infomercial for that rotisserie chicken oven do you know the rotisserie is like a rotating I forgot the guy on the infomercial but the whole thing sounds like a George Foreman or something forget it and that was like my favorite kitchen appliance that my parents bought my dad would make a great duck on it and it's this is your set it and forget it rotisserie technology for saving so that is a great analogy uh okay um let's let's talk about where do you think we might go in this cycle so you think we're in a pullback right now uh

when you look at the rest of this cycle do you feel good about the rest of the year what are the sort of scenarios or the way you're looking forward in 2025 I'm definitely more bullish than bearish I think that we are setting up for very positive events um and more institutions coming into Bitcoin potentially a strategic Bitcoin Reserve which would create a ton of demand but really at the institutional level you're seeing so many more companies exploring a treasury strategy which micro strategy or now strategy pioneered um you're seeing you know these zombie companies getting called out saying hey maybe maybe Bitcoin will help you gain some traction more and more people are allocating to

the ETFs via the 13f filings we're seeing more and more hedge funds revealing and Sovereign wealth funds revealing that they're invested in Bitcoin so I think that that wave will will continue and then the question is will our nation Embrace Bitcoin by either creating a stockpile or committing to buying more Bitcoin and then on the individual level obviously there's just like such a there's something to the fomo and when the price rolls up I get so many DMS of where can I get this am I too late should I buy it now yes you should buy it now we're still early so I think that we're set up to go much much higher and Joe kosari actually had a really um a really good perspective that he shared on Twitter the other day which was that we started

the year at $95,000 or around there for bit for Bitcoin and Bitcoin has a compound annual growth rate of about 40% so if we end the year at around $135,000 that's still a really really really good return and it doesn't sound like that impressive of a price and I actually do think it'll go higher but 40% or nearly 40% I mean you don't get that on most assets you're probably not going to get that on any of the the stocks that you might invest in a traditional portfolio so yeah I think we're we're going to go up and it'll be volatile but it's the best thing you can own yeah it's just it's like like it's so hard because I completely agree with you're saying 40% incredible return if

you could get 40% every year for the rest of your life you would you would you would do incredibly well you would be very happy you would retire be able to support your you'd have generational wealth I mean you'd be really well off but everybody's so focused on the now everybody wants the immediate gains and a lot of people have missed out on the gains in this cycle right it hasn't been because we haven't seen altcoins pump you know it's really been a Bitcoin dominated cycle so far and so when you miss out and you see so many people oh that person you know made a big gain off of some meme coin but not everybody does and that's all

you see you see everybody else and then you get jealous and then you start to fomo in or make those decisions and so yeah I don't I don't know how to I don't know how to get reframe everybody's mind that like 40% is great like that that would be solid um I don't know if you find that on on your end with the people that you're talking to or if they're just happy with 40% but I'm like constantly trying to pull people back into this state of like Simplicity and not just not taking too much risk right and the great thing about Bitcoin for for this year more than any year is the the risk adjusted return has really changed because of the institutions coming in as you just mentioned right corporate treasuries you know Michael

sailor sailor didn't strategy just say they're going to do another convertible note two billion or something they're raising to buy more Bitcoin like it's just and and then and that's he's only you know that's one Corporation you got metop Planet over in Japan and a whole bunch more I'm sure it just it feels like such a no- brand but at the same time there's so much pain in the space it's so it's tough yeah well I mean I uh I try to help people understand Bitcoin because I do see a lot of investing at large as really gambling and I'm not just talking about crypto I mean even today it's it's become more of an environment where people are picking individual stocks hoping to be successful because let's face it I mean look at the index funds yes they've done

well but Bitcoin has significantly outperformed the S&P 500 um and so yeah I mean I I can understand the the desire to try to pick a winner and maybe you'll get that 100 1,000% gain but I think your best bet and actually your safest most conservative bet is Bitcoin so um even if it's just a small chunk of the portfolio that you you have or you manage it it should at least be in there and I think it will continue to grow over the years in terms of the percentage as opposed to the people who are still sitting on the sidelines I mean they're they're not behind because we're all still early but it's like it's all the the markers are saying that hey Bitcoin is here to stay it's a global

macro asset and um you wanna you want to be riding this wave you don't want to be sitting and just watching all of us yeah yeah completely completely okay let's talk about Trump's first 30 days in office so obviously there has been it almost feels like it's been understated the regime shift that we have seen I'm sure you feel this way like podcasting for several years years it was so hard out there for crypto companies in America even for investors in America to participate in crypto and so much was happening behind the scenes that we were not aware of and is coming more to light now and then Trump took office and like Trump mcoin got all the attention not

his executive orders really and then you know David Sachs goes on TV and basically says like you have rights to self- custody and we're going to allow this and we support self y but nobody really seemed to like it's like there's so much noise out there and I it's really hard to like see what the signal is so when you look at the past month for for Trump in office what are your thoughts and what stands out to you well I've been really focusing on the positives the fact that we have for the very first time someone in the White House who is pro Bitcoin who said he will protect the right to self- custody um who wants to explore the idea of a strategic Bitcoin Reserve or stockpile and has already initi iated the creation of a a working group to study the

creation of that um I just think that all the Tailwinds are really behind us but things are going to move a little slower than I think bitcoiners or or people in the community want uh it's not going to happen overnight that suddenly we're going to just stack a million Bitcoin as a country and honestly like we want it to happen more slowly and methodically there's still so much work to be done and people need a better understand this and even the people who are in charge the the public officials I mean so much good has been has already been happened and so much of the waste and fraud has been revealed but I still am of the belief that a lot of people who are in charge don't fully understand Bitcoin um which is why maybe they're releasing meme coins and and all of that

um so we we've got some work to go but all of this is moving in a positive direction to your earlier point I mean the last Administration was so hostile to crypto at large and made it so so difficult for companies to Bank in the space I mean what happened with the FDIC and the operation choke point that Nick Carter did such a great job calling out was just absolutely ridiculous and discriminatory and if we are going to be a leader in Innovation and and and Technology um we need to make sure that we're we're treating companies fairly and within the law and I I don't think that that's what's been happening over the last four years so I'm excited for a turnaround we've got a lot of people that are pro Bitcoin going into very powerful positions from the Commerce

Secretary to the treasury secretary to the SEC um and Beyond so this is a very very exciting time and I'm just humbly you know dollar cost averaging and um can't wait for the next couple years hey guys quick break from today's episode to tell you about our partner byit why I love byit they're centralized exchange and we all need centralized exchanges they serve a great purpose but what I really love about bit right now is they've launched this new trade GPT and what this is is an AI powered assistant that basically simplifies is the way that you do token analysis we're all trying to figure out how to look at a token what are the metrics that matter what's the social engagement what's the

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notes check out them or buy bit now that mean that's that's why like there's this there's just such a strange dichotomy right now in the space because retail sentiment is just so low and it's making and if you're on crypto Twitter like it makes it seem like the Cycle's over I feel like I see as the cycle over every day somebody saying why it might be over but then at the same time everything you just said like we've never had that before it couldn't be more bullish and we're talking about big money now not you know a whole bunch of US dollar cost averaging in which quite frankly like we're not buying billions of dollars a day talking about Abu Dhabi coming in

buying 500 million in over over a quarter over three months like 500 million and that's so it's just it's it's very all I see is like bye bye bye opportunity right now because it just feels I've never felt so bullish but it feels it's so it's this difference is hard for me to wrap my my head around yeah I can relate to that because as a content creator I really see um you know the the expansion of attention and inquiries versus the laws and you're right I mean there was such an explosion of excitement right before the ETFs and it was kind of like a buy the rumor sell the news and then it it just leveled off and then with trump it was like another explosion and excitement we're going to

you know seven figures they're going to have a strategic reserve and now it's sort of quieted down and I think a lot of people's attention online right now is really on Doge um and that's what the algorithms are feeding us and um so it's a lot of it's still a lot of the politics un fortunately which is a bummer because Bitcoin is this technology that's for for all of us for everyone no matter who you are where you come from that empowers you and gives you freedom and gives you the ability to save for a for the future in a way that no one can debase and manipulate and confiscate from you but the focus is still on all of these symptoms that come from a broken monetary system and we fight over who's to blame and this and

that and um and and and the truth is like Bitcoin is outside of that entire system and so the the peaceful transition that we can make to this alternate system that's based on truth and math and energy um that no one can manipulate no one has a special Advantage it it's going to be a slow transition and those of us who have already made it we're looking over and we can see from a different perspective like all the chaos and like why why why are you guys fighting over this stuff that like does you can you can be outside of it you can like hit your Escape hat you know parachute out and just live on the Bitcoin standard but um but we got to be patient with people as they as they try to learn and and catch

up and and I do think that change for sure is upon us because people have been so fed up for so long you mentioned Strate strategic Bitcoin Reserve stockpile As Trump likes to call it yeah thoughts on that probabilities predictions scenarios I think it'll happen when we just least expect it I really do I think we're going to wake up one day and the price is shooting up I think it will probably be a stockpile first so kind of the idea of transferring the Bitcoin that has already been seized by the US government and saying okay this is now our stockpile or our Reserve we're not going to sell it it is now the possession of the United States Treasury and then the idea of the Bitcoin act

which was proposed by um US senator Cynthia lumus from Wyoming I mean that would be amazing that's the idea of actually buying a million Bitcoin uh potentially even repricing gold in order to have the the the balance sheet capacity to buy the Bitcoin I would love if that happens I just don't think it's the the priority of Congress because again we don't have enough people who understand Bitcoin I think they've got a million different things going on um and I think their priority is actually stable coins ahead of Bitcoin and there's this big question about dollar dominance and something Trump's obviously very focused on too so I don't know if we're going to get a reserve and we're going to be buying Bitcoin um but I would be very pleasantly surprised and excited if we

did and and to sort of tie back to early in the show when we talked about you know you being bullish uh that is that bullishness does not rely on the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve to happen which is something that I think I find that a lot of people are very tied to we we really have this you know we tend to focus on a few things and everybody is like waiting for the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve as if we need need that to continue to have the price action go up but we don't I think if it did happen uh and I I do think it's a big big if I fully agree with what you're saying I think stockpile first strategic Bitcoin Reserve second don't I don't necessarily think it happens this year um but if it

did happen I think it as you said it would take time and it has to go through a lot of Hoops first it's not a this is an executive order that Trump can just sign and it's done no that's right um I think we we got to celebrate our wins we've already come really really far the idea of the United States buying Bitcoin I just I think that that's a little bit bigger than people are realizing even though there's been some rhetoric to suggest it could happen and we have to also remember that Bitcoin is a very very tiny asset class compared to everything else so obviously that makes it very volatile in the short term but the idea of um of the United States buying Bitcoin that's going to significantly impact the market they're not going to make this decision willy-nilly um and I think there are

just a lot of question marks in general about uh the direction forward with gold as well so many central banks are buying gold um a lot of the best analysts that I've had on my show are um wondering if we're moving into a a more multi-polar world with a neutral Reserve asset because obviously everyone can see that we just print print print and so us treasuries are not the best investment over the long run and we're losing foreign buyers so stable coins have provided some interesting demand for us treas treasuries so it's just there are some big tectonic plates that are shifting globally and again I just don't think that Bitcoin right now is the priority but it will be I think eventually it'll just take some time yeah the interesting thing on the US

Treasury side is the the US is as you mentioned earlier in the show they they are they're right at the debt ceiling right so they they are in a a bad place in terms of managing all of this debt and they're not the only one I mean every government China's gosh they got their big problems over there too the the the question is okay so who's going to buy all this these us treasuries that they need to create in the next six to 12 months in order to fund their debt when there's not a lot of buyers for treasuries anymore as as you said and I think this is where this is where I get interested on the macro side of the way

that Trump is using the strength of the US dollar as a bargaining chip and also using tariffs as a bargaining chip in order to I think force a lot of countries to buy us treasuries in order to support the US debt is where that's kind of where my hypothesis is where I see this is going I don't know if you if you have thoughts on like the macro setup and where you think we we might go in the next year yeah I so I find all of this so fascinating um because the the duration of an average Global Reserve currency is about a hundred years and and we're not there yet um the dollar as Reserve currency technically began in 1944 with the Bretton Woods conference

so we're not there yet but like we're inching toward it and I don't know if any of your viewers or listeners have read um Ray Delio's work on like the the Cycles the debt cycles and we're definitely it feels like coming toward the end of a very significant one um we've see a rise in populism and all the things that sort of happen as as you come to the end of a debt cycle and and there are several places that this could go right I mean we could move in the direction uh away from the dollar but that's not what the United States wants however what's interesting is the inherent contradiction that exists with being the reserve currency or asset um we have to print we have to export our dollars we have to artificially

strengthen and exp export the dollar and that Hollows out that's what hollowed out a lot of the IND industrial base that we had here in the working class so we want a strong manufacturing base and for everything to resore we want a strong middle class working class but we want the dollar to be the reserve currency and I think I think that that's one of been one of the most interesting things that as I've studied economics more in monetary history that trifin dilemma the inherent conflict between being the reserve currency and and wanting a strong middle class and and a healthy vibrant economy that's not just financialized they don't you can't you pick one you can't have both we have

obviously picked picked the side of financialization and we've made some people very very wealthy in that but it's also why we have I think the polarization that we have because it's kind of like the it's two sides of the same coin like everyone's frustrated because the average person is struggling because their purchasing power has been destroyed and they've gotten totally debased and we could just print print print print um and we did it for a long time because everyone just had to accept our debt as a risk risk free asset but now we're seeing changes we're seeing a shift we're seeing countryes saying well no if you can just weaponize it and you keep printing why would we store our wealth in something we can't print but you can print right so like these are the things I don't have answers to but

it's one of the reasons why I'm so glad that I own Bitcoin because I don't want to own something that our country could just print just print you know hit hit a button we have you know 10 trillion more units and now my eggs cost $15 carton like why um and I think people the more that they question that and they question why prices are actually grow going up and they can't afford some of the things they could so easily a couple Generations ago um it leads you to why our systems broken and why Bitcoin is such an important solution what happens when the music stops on this multi-year bull run that we've been on no real recessions have happened even though people have been falling for

recessions constantly like at some point the the stock market needs to have a reset and have a dip and currently Bitcoin is still very tied to the stock market we have not decoupled from that yet um so when that happens does does does Bitcoin suffer just as much I mean I say when if that happens I should say does does Bitcoin also have a reset or do you think that we're setting we're we're on this new path as you mentioned things are changing this this shift is happening larger regimes are shifting and maybe that Bitcoin is truly going to become This Global store of value which

might decouple from the other asset markets and so that's another another checkbox of reasons to being investing in Bitcoin well your question hits on some very interesting truths and topics um that we should explore which is that you're right we didn't we don't technically have a recession we soft landed but if you talk to the average person they have never struggled more in terms of where their wages are actually going and the cost of living we see really disheartening statistics about Dem demographic changes people not feeling like they can have children

people losing hope Like Larry fin the CEO of black said his most concerning statistic in the last couple of years was the lack of Hope in younger American Generations like there have been some significant things that have happened and so I actually agree with the analysts that say we we're in a silent depression or recession we don't see it in the numbers presented to us we are told the economy is so healthy um our econom is also just based on how much we spend H I think the GDP metric is kind of a scam um so so we're being told one thing but the the experience of the everyday American is very very different and we have kind of outlawed recessions because the second that everything starts to unwind and the second that the the debt you know spiral takes hold

they're ready to come in with the money printer and we've seen it time and time and again and every time they have to step in they have to expand the balance sheet even more and it takes more liquidity and more money printing to make up the same amount as before and so I think all roads lead to the money printer and lead to to basement which is why you don't want to hold cash you don't want to hold um I would not hold bonds I think they're going to be completely devalued compared to the real inflation rate and I think you need to own things like Bitcoin and so yes we can have a crash we can have a temporary you know oh no moment like we did in 2020 like we did in 2022 when um we had the bank bank defaults but we know what

they're going to do because it's the only thing that's politically palatable for them to do which is just inject the system with a bunch of money printing again and that's why I feel like it's so imperative for us to educate the everyday person because we're not taught in school that hey they're just they're they're just debasing my money and that's why my purchasing power is being destroyed we're not taught to like get a hold of of hard assets we're just sort of taught that oh you know maybe the government should come in and redistribute the wealth because some people are greedy like no no no no it's a little deeper than that and I think the greediest of all has been the to be honest with you well and doge is certainly giving us a lot of evidence of that on a daily basis right now it's uh

as you said it you you can't avoid the Doge media cycle right now because it's just it's like one thing after another that you're like what that's unbelievable like $50 million in condoms what what are you doing like what's happening here anyways we don't need to go down down that path um uh I I want to uh touch on Satoshi Nakamoto and Jack dorsy just because uh that just blew up on crypto Twitter yesterday uh with Matthew seagull from vanck uh who we've had on the show a few times talking about how he has this thesis that Jack dorsy is Satoshi Nakamoto thoughts do you do you think that Jack dorsy could

be Satoshi I mean look anything's possible I'm not in the camp that believes that um I would certainly like to like to see the evidence two things I'll say number one I I just I don't understand anymore the fascination with trying to figure out who Satoshi is because it doesn't matter even if we even if we knew there is no control or influence that Satoshi would have over the protocol and I think it's actually something so beautiful and special that we had a creator of this protocol who created it gave it away and then went away you know never never sought profit or recognition which can't be said for most of the other projects and protocols and tokens that are out there he never tried to extract value he just offered value which I think is such

a blessing it's beautiful something we rarely rarely see today and then like when I think about I don't know I mean Jack was running Twitter he was busy running a massive company and I don't know I just like don't see I I I've been to the I mean now it's X but I've been to the previous Twitter headquarters because I had a friend work for Twitter and I was amazed when I walked in because it felt like I was in a resort or Disneyland I they were getting served like buffets of gourmet food and I'm sorry but Satoshi would have been a minimalist and would not have run an operation like that so no I mean I I I'm I'm not the person that's trying to like figure out satoshi's identity and maybe maybe it's Jack but I don't think so you

don't think so okay okay last last question before we let you go um you've recorded hundreds of podcasts interviewed some of the brightest Minds in finance uh if you were to talk to a family member or somebody what's what's the one thing that you wish that everybody knew or that you would really like to if to make sure that they were aware of that you think a lot of people are missing out on I just wish that more people would explore the question of why is everything around us getting more expensive when technology is supposed to drive prices down um it's a simple question but it comes with such a a profound uh exploration of our of our

current reality and that is that you know the the house that's now deteriorating and your parents bought on one income pretty easily is now $2 million and and multiple multiple people on multiple incomes can't afford it so why is that happening when technology around us is it's gotten it's progressed and it's supposed to have made things easier and cheaper and when you start exploring that I I think it takes you on a fascinating Quest that leads you to understanding why our system's broken and who controls our money and the fact that it's so manipulated at the core and that certain people and groups have benefited from that and then you ask yourself well what's the solution and if I didn't know about Bitcoin I would probably have a lot less hope in the

future I would probably be a massive gold bug I'd be advocating for a return to the gold standard um but I know about Bitcoin so I'm a Bitcoin Advocate I think Bitcoin is for everyone and uh really excited to be on this ride Bitcoin is for everyone that's the the name of your new book give us some teasers when's the book coming out it is not launching until fall I'm so excited I poured my heart and soul into it I wrote it um last year and uh it's uh right now in the in the finishing um revision stages and then it's going to be published like I said in the fall but I'm so excited because it's the book that I wish I had I read every book like every book in the Bitcoin space I have read most of them I've read more than

once and I tried to take a little bit from every every book to create like one holistic introduction to bitcoin for the mainstream audience and I'm really excited about it awesome can't wait we'll have to get you back on the show in the fall when the book launches and share it with everybody thank you thanks for joining us today Natalie everybody thanks so much for listening in we will see you again tomorrow have a wicked awesome day thanks so much bye as always if you liked today's episode please hit subscribe and make sure you follow us you don't miss out on the next one there's also a link in the description to our free 5 minute daily newsletter where we simplify crypto for you while making you laugh and if you're willing

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