Messari Mainnet Special: LinuxVM Unpacking with Project Lead Bruno Maia

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foreign tations that were happening at Epic layer tube um and there's so much happening in the roll-up space in general um so I'm particularly excited to have this interview because karate is doing something very unique um with the Linux VM which we'll we'll talk about in a second so let's just in general let's talk how is your main net

going um how's how are you enjoying the conference and then we'll dig into some of the some of the cartesia tech really well the offense thanks for having me with the show Ryan and thanks for everyone watching us um uh first of all I was a pleasure to be heard helping to look guys a few Brussels means a lot with remote like in in terms of Belize super connected on how the blockchain technology will affect Humanity the fact that we're society and how it get the better right and that's the the middle of the project we went to leave the place better than before and and and then by selling it with world map Centric and what's kind of

put into the higher levelers the man boats to our land the capacity of the 2D and equation right wherever Gap and we're specifically responsible and this were not going to achievement with synchronization of the growth their values will never remember those eyes space with thousands and Filibertos and that's what we are silly but I see tons of facts about it little twos about different approaches and how unlocked some simple potentialism on top of ethereum application including capacity like accessibility is Brandy to a team ecosystem so Sledge verifiable computer system getting the same secure

guarantees that if it will be remedy embarrass is basically out saying supplier about two uh uh technologies that says one is very specific with xanother Labs one without Persia specifically we want something that we are talking about last three years so we can learn about the first going deeper on that on the aspect in the second one is all I think our greatest contributions that assisted which is the contestation the capacity machine is is a risk fire resistance a French Ledger Microsoft's rather

distribution so we have this lyrics system that can yeah yeah mind blow in terms of often stays in terms of tooling and the size based product system and the right to explain about it as well there's so much thought about the the evf and I love that you bring up the the super computer analogy for cartoons because I think this was the vision for ethereum very early it was to be the world super computer is that and I think over you know a few years um we got a little bit distracted we got like away from the super computer vision

because we had investors we had a lot of money that kind of like was added into the mix and then people started to seek ethereum as the solar Valley as the asset and green Theory and people started to almost try to recreate Bitcoin with this the ultrasound money thesis and it took away from the super computer thesis and now with the expansion of virtual machines and and particularly the Linux VM I think is is unlocking a whole new use case for this super computer thesis I I'm very excited to see the super computer thesis we've it's like we've circled back to the super computer and now we're seeing the vision play out with these application specific Roll-Ups and the environment to

make those those Roll-Ups happen yeah yeah perfect in this world computer right this is that kind of closer to this vision and and let's get a step back where everyone said about um uh the virtual vision is exactly now where computer where the design trust is a petition and correctly design just because this design just the enabled Continuum really decentralized would be just but it's uh but at first the design choices of the restrictions among that The Limited computation capacity and label strategy or the blockchain so as a

consequence you have a very primitive evm that can run any kind of problem a very primitive without tool without very restricted programming set also really so it would be well but with term brand new stores and this is the new YouTubers you still sing now those because it's feature structure is not them read They're not no use case so we still never did five these days everything rewards for Grant Family Solution social fight game five the and so on I think you nailed the the triler that we hear so much about but hearing the trial limits in the same way over and over

again is not the input the tri-level in a perspective that is understandable for normies fuel regular people regular developers that realize that the design Choice the user words the design to it comes with trade-offs that and the ethereum shows a decentralized a very secure design Choice that's the choice that they made to trade off speed and scalability so now let's dig into car teeth because yeah I I'll cut easy it's like the most scalable where will I see and I don't want to put other relapse down but I want to talk about how and why Cartesian made the design choices that that Cartesian bit yeah totally get it then absolutely

see the space much as mechanibility so we end up here to replace are more Rich for remaining vitamins and the best product development am I super excited to see that spot right but talking about how many neighbor that right when we create this fully verifiable the risk five um for lunips OS it's clear that this complexion cannot run and do limit computational directors right it's helium as a heroine layer yeah you cannot even start booting

limits if you use it okay which takes you 10 times my black space to proved Linux then so it was not valuable that's why they believe the constraints right so when China will realize that we need to deprive away from the canonical view of having related to you as a kind of a happy athlete one architecture where a general purpose adds to you where all the value Builders are validating everything that will happen because black matter with boots the same strengths that you have in other work is everyone validating everything you're going to have competition for rock space gas rewards

and Etc Islam is that feasible to really lack room use this this stuff is general purpose allergies they really love that the capacities of existing ministers flourishment super nice is where we see the compressible and collaboration it's different architectures and different infrastructures delivering and cellular aspects of this Mutual barriers so we go to this application specific regular red each application has its own roll-up instance which measure like it's there's a bridge program has its element by a full CDU to process them and that still is massively computation in which I

would have magnitude to put it in a tangible way to people right um and get the best estimation of how much computation can run in the title graph which comes each 30 seconds approximately you're going to have 10 million restrictions that you can ramble that yes application specifically where we are regarding the radar infrastructure the validated Ram Library System nothing super fatiguez it gets 3.5 people it's billions file system access to building such

record zip programs to Conquest data settings and password digital signature where you can imagine and and survival right and especially using libraries to compose with the servers that is where the sun begins and rubber VMS on average that extensive of reveal spring because they are metaphors yeah that that starts to expand my Verizon play in a lot new new design choices that we can make because we can bring together the tooling and infrastructure that already lives in this in a single World we're hearing a lot at the conference like there's a lot of demand

for Block space and the the realization that I'm starting to come to is that layer tubes layered Breeze app chains they all contribute murder block space little block space with block space what if you just like add another blocks as I said we're leaving a lot like left unset we're leaving like a lot oh the value away from the chain it's it's not just about adding live watch this but adding little Palace of thoughts we're like more unique blog space that we can do report which block States like more productive things that we can do on this box is and and that is like not just adding more rock space it's adding the value of Watts basically because

it's that type of chain so Cartesian org Walks Like ever see what lettering all this thing tooling and infrastructure that enriches the experience of developers who build on this this back new system this new machine this like new block space illegal but what what many can dig into the use cases like what what are your some of the the things that you're seeing because of this this Rich type of watch face what what does this on Rocco develop with fashion Ruby this question and I would be interesting because it's super important that of the block stays in glitches that you can read I think you can achieve Plus

them wear black Springs but limiting the programmability index precedence what was when we invite the help to try out new history right that's why for example you don't see a VM at ECM as as a diameter applications you can increase with solution massively but with that suit the rear that has restriction concept that cannot handle ribos that cannot handle Duallys but he will not perhaps fully leverage the computational bank then the trade-off will be even worse because this VM will lose compilibility which is maybe the most important characteristic of pedia

and that's why Banks Rainier and can you share many of them out too is the Amazon right choice but if you repeat the same level even the family interactive Rock space to implement the same business model that we have seen so far it's a family rapid seniors financialization of adults that is the only thing that we can Allah consider a16 though instead of crypto we got 1023 it states that we need to store Temptation in a break to read your walk and capezi agrees with baptism which will share because they regret even further we have the call number of revolution in iot is in 2022 where we explore why we did was I trust right and

God will be untreated why is that and Easter temperatures used to have some capacity to start the data verbal when you screw Bethany Mutual sweet spot where they really started laughing and then I would like to express this use case that we are silly in an aquapose after they appearing since but we already see The Visionaries the crew with people working on way from the limitations that we have nowadays and we were standing there have a very full Sledge who run upstairs to work with with other computation they start experience so when we have seen so far uh one example that I love very much is these are super uh koreanism called the

Young reserve and we teach Liz well should basically uh increment in our visual machine not available they open on chain action yeah with the silver and tools that would eat them because remember my grand victim to have a better Z security of wet is when he is through the feministic and Phil better without certainly Force this is the empty so that is running that is very very fire documentation right and it is the same guarantee they put in the mouth

of the basically that'll implementary this is mind-blue another guy got very much processing solution so that python which is another end of our technology see throughout the different programming languages we reduce a lot the the friction developers I've installed python vitalist ingredients we were just annotating computer science facts the first language they teach him is that's why we went to the verses and and presented the matter of suddenly python as a language all the other VMS in mind that set it but they were not so fled to an average

Piper because we're mixed python powerful is the capacity to compose with very sophisticated libraries like a very there's one example open City open computer vision is a super sophisticated open-sized image recognition Library battle can use in Python right so if I could regrets the bill that organize the beta and they get a venture without to react this extreme powerful library in a typical life so a bad use the carbon Planet market so we get the bachelorette get a portion of a two-way he trimmed this melody to recognize the native vegetation so we can evaluate in that terrain what is the personal paragraph the desert patient they have and they can initiative with that percentage of

vegetation have up to this amount of carbon right so imagine when you start to sterilize some data availability and the data setup can enter inside this bathroom is uh is also increasing the size so but the unsuperate curious to seeing rap and come and we were like where we are reference went through scripture to developers don't matter whether you stays on the driving to see that happening right and Superman I am I am bullish on the Chain oh my God

there's like I keep I keep thinking about my friends because these are real world exam where like my body's not a crypto dude right he's learning computer science and he's now becoming a python developer I have another friend who works for a solar panel company Okay and like you mentioned carbon credits and I think I keep I keep thinking about my friends who are not crypto people who are in these other Industries because of the non-financial use cases that cartesians scale unlocks it unlocks like Beyond D5 is that is that and that's the board that's what we have with infrastructure of today is we are a lot on back on that financialization of

everything you need to still can push your land build their status through a lot but an office in them that really can provide will write code and environment to development right so that's simple the rest of the email about four contributors to find us daily we'll say anything is the world computer and why Europe was never able in June

which means it's fully verifiable and what's like super exciting is once it is on chain then it's composed and this is like another like angle that we just have not yet seen with little composability yeah this is you you did a very very good part right when you build to the application specific to a roller right we have compromise or the conversible is not the same as you have or in a commercial environment right but you have navigates there are semi soft contestability that you can sell when you use a shared sequencer as categic collaborating right now this Express all right but February

most probably about being rare solution without what was about it better possibility with applications testicular Labs male bases after the share sippers after the base layer yeah so go ahead and read the composability they have sex composite okay but there are a lot of use case that you have right it's it's uh it's uh and that is okay but in fact it's a easy level application or the default application that requires High Compass available you have the ball field routines with other possibilities the other kind of ensure that the rules is going to or habitual or optimism applications we are much more interested in this whole new set of use case then

still not at work because of the constraints of computation and the capacity that there's a solving fermentation the ability and programmable right and we believe that memoriality is accusing it because with application specifically Road lab you can really answer that they were mainly for structure to to to to match the use those needs right if you have a kind of sure infrastructure it's more of them it's not inelastic item at the gesture but the applications disappear yes so also we understand that we cannot do attitude in the space we believe in collaboration so that's why we're collaborating with espresso they are super competenting where we should

develop a super safe espresso with those Juniors over there and that is developer there that is American Service uh share success why we should why should uh develop our sex like we are collaborating with the Integrity they're collaborating with all the data available but to also to start integrating like this rails versus elasticity and adapt the infrastructure according to do it without brain but there is a catch this is certain artificial you still need to get a kind of a service relative to

abstract the way this capacities of the regular development a regular Resort like that cannot be intuitive and trying to serve what are the infrastructure was good for him he should be really aware of like whose leads be seriously and sugar were standing on it and welcome as the first merchant to deliver very first very rich mess about the mutual is summarized this and put it put it into like many normal language okay so what what you're saying here is that you so quite easy is able to solve this set of very complex problems because you unlock this scale and you bring in

Python and you bring in these libraries that are currently available with their minutes operating system you are like adapting the current infrastructure stack that most other blockchains are deploying instead of using the op stack or the art of some night throw or the Z phase stack because those stats come with their own infrastructure and that infrastructure is currently built for their defiant built for like the crypto natives that means you have to get meta math you have to get wallets you us they can use those interceptors you're going into like the crypto native world that's already been done and that

is not dope for them going into parties using the Linux VM they're able to customize those user experience homework non-cryptomatos and I was talking to this conversation I've had at an event last night they don't care about blocks they don't mean to know that something's running on chain they want that they're familiar fit and Heritage is deemed to Leverage The the intellect and the genius capabilities of espresso of the data availability lyrics and not recreate the wheel you guys are talking to this the smartest of the builders when it comes to the crypto native stack you're able to use shared sequences

you're able to use the data availability that is that lives on these chains and you can bring all of this data can you help you combine it with the new data that Cartesian on rocks because of this uh this composer this not necessarily composability but you because it's Linux we're able to bring in all this new information airless new data from the libraries of Linux manually data that comes this is clear but it can reuse right it's the perplex Library so and and just to clarify your point is not that we have replacement doesn't descriptive we are actually mad what I mean was that we can implemental infrastructure because

optimistic relapse that solution you look at a basil I have to say that so the current solution that partazzi has and is coming at the main net through is bad static which is uh relapse running our Vita machines so we have higher configuration and not

that much uh capacity to to work so you're still not fully unlock the the evolution they call them from evictions so what characters is doing that we will not benefit by first starting to work with other parameters too but American integration of our particles that it is edible to have what disability in medicine for infrastructure to deliver the right infrastructure that they will use cases so a little bit of use scones needs um a super sharp conservation time and then Implement disease I think we've set confirmation or you will need uh hide

those data a solution that maybe get with fireplace and alsoever being able to even third example so that's right so this composability and when I'm assuming is the developer in the end of ability to like have big bells the tribulations and Center by itself when I'm so in a vendor world to implement a service level but that will abstract the various complexity and we already working on that we have a approach the bearing inside to assume that his first version will works better with complexities to launch the cafe technologists back in the real release

models rituals versus yeah so so this will never upset away that the battlefield great will deploy with infrastructure for them to implement liquid in down the line when we experimented let's see we'll never write it then you can reach this experience and configured with the first page but I hope that is better so unless we add up adaptability because you can Leverage Cartesian on top of all these other networks and then you also have the

infrastructure within suppressor with Celestia to bring in the data and and then share the sequence suit and then that gives you the composability across these application specific Roll-Ups but lab achieve soft the possibility but not the third person that we could have the swam in the Shelley but when you have a machine really Boone is everyone is dispute on the same block space so it's kind of implementary right this challenge is very good for certain specific use case but that's it that's very sad until now every specific use case of feminine civilization after everything going like if you look beyond that and if the

statement version I need to stream the gunability and the sharing is a capable that that's right but there's this happening at the system is we are not depressing we are not comparing with the ecosystem we say look we started it can be a bunch of new use cases and these infrastructure is sitting about his existing because we relying and this infrastructure to provide the same secure balances we have any valuable things for that suburb that doesn't make sure in the relapse in the bullsey yeah and yeah also that that provides like helps a context on how cartesia fits into the rest of this

super computer ecosystem yeah yeah and then we're gonna see this is it for stretch I'm super happy because family were there soon they infrastructure starting up it says and and creating uh I would say effectively capacity to restart the vacuum use cases as we were talking about the change between the Durham but the image recognitions at the tank shows that any of those applications that are harassment in a kind of share when you're running an easy app let's talk with that that's even let billionaires running less some of these applications they are not restable as well right so we are implementing we are actually sitting with vision as collaboration and explain

the infinite battle with a deal and then that's what it fights me as I believe in space is not the ability I agree I agree um okay let's switch gears a little bit but let's let's give the audience a little bit of output okay let's talk about Honeypot why because this is something that you guys talked about a little bit last night and uh yeah I'm so the audience you know wants to want to hear about it and get the the download yeah so so really I made that so I actually when I had said 26 September right September September 26th so so that means rap means to everyone Brewing the main net with an application status if you run up but it's not a net right because each application

environment will it means that our breakfast is finding a way to communicate to the community that that person system understand that the technology might use the map to to stop and use Bible velocity interpretationism and Main acts and how we have to really deal with that would be we are launching an application where animal okay a very strong application that sits on my Med with this application won't happen that there's a tokens aside right and wherever we realize that can regret anything that from that uh application is the foundation way

okay cheesy foundations putting a massive tokens into a wallet Badness that's the foundation withdrawal the wrap so we are inviting the community to try to crack us then get with money this is yeah so this is creative bark Bounty it's sad it's it's seeing if a bottle of computer right that would do the card where that women are asking anywhere to tell us how they did it that's why it's only part we just have same menu over there wait Brad will never get treat yourself when right yeah but uh uh but there's a team will

symbolize it but eventually happens and recommends and then how that happens things that communicate with the community locks the Honeypot yeah if when we're very comfortable that that will happen so we're gonna wait to start increasing that right wow it's a challenge but that's the leverage the bands come into you right are we have outstanding people the cycle test Muscle beats composite universities and we have so many come huge couple of people around we'll just divide those guys to notice that because we need to if you believe that there's a social resolution because anything block station is

so we made to show that that desert back is sequence there's people will be comfortable to provide applications that eventually have money real money that so we need to ensure that this is so and now cut easy putting putting their money with it you're putting your money with your mouth Foundation is putting their money into a doubt on code easy and it's saying like hey come into the right so so that that is good what's the what's the timeline like how much money are you guys putting in and then like what like how long will it stay in the staff before the foundation pets all right you guys you know either got it and then five thousand tokens betting weekly increase of this every

weekend okay cruising the size you were held apart and behalf of people to try to to explore reliability of contactless but and and and the old industry is super young when [Music] yeah and I think it speaks to the practice of cartoon that I've seen the the philosophy is try something

experiment and because he's able to put this Honeypot together so that someone is able to uh really see the security in practice before it opens up to the rest of the world and and helping the flight leads to all of the liquidity that could could eventually end up on our Cartesian this is the experiment that's easy putting putting the like initial funds into to kind of dog food the grotta dog with you know see put the money where the mouth is and that this is this is like an open transparent experiment to the rest of the world that says okay you don't know like someone made their boost someone may not get this hidden otherwise if they Ben did this that means that this

is secure and it's ready for real funding exactly this people are safe to be thought exactly that rappers are safe to the blood what's the weather those respiratory safe and that's what the matters in blockchain right yeah with the signalized okay and so security anticipants disappear yeah so so that's that that is the The Good the idea behind Helicon and our relationship I I love you infrastructure online as I said the first version of type as it has some capacity in the hands to that will continue to chat with the most brilliant ones and that industry to start over studying how we can collaborate with other protocols to keep

this flexibility technology in order to Manhattan bless these three the interest in a new state I think that's one of the things I'm personally most excited about is the composability like when you guys start to live with these double protocols we hear about Celestia and we hear about espresso and it's at a high level they say that they can solve these things that are are common problems and we're featured leverage the best technology out there yeah and then and then it lets protocols like cortesi specialize on different what you do best does that we let a special do the shareit Zach we went also do the data availability name and then cartesians of scalable yeah

for this through fledge about this computer around your practice is good at no mesh templates sophisticated executionally as you can grab because the full sludge remote service but you can leverage Fair rules of software development with tons of libraries the diverse programming languages an experience a programming that is cleansed to have two so it's easy to wear with 25 million developers we have the method when needed a big resume development solidity right more activity we have to understand women developers early quiet goes 12.

so we are we're good with design space but you know end up with the opportunity to the left in right and that has feedback some and three of those impacts on business because now you can have access to developers and a manufactured grass with red lip programming language it's easy to follow resources and and turn to the private locations with natural remorse because in salinity we decided that salmon field that has this certain amount of end timer in the mainstream Mark time to to Market with reuse as well and that benefits that we have in using a a well-established rulers right was that the most used separation system in the world nearly 90 of devices

we're excited I'm not super technical but I'm familiar you know with the Linux name and I realized that it yeah but we're seeing developers men and men realize that and bringing these applications that nobody could see coming yeah yeah so so let's let's kind of roll off this conversation if you will like all right this was the Missouri mainnet the last two days it was great lots of speakers lots of uh lots of uh panels lots of great conversations um but maybe it's a little corporate right maybe a little suit driven like a lot of other you know we've heard from the side

we've heard from coinbase right a little bit small to it now we have to keep going we have fun right coming up today and tomorrow so this is a little more culture um let let what are you most excited about like oh please um like you have hopes for the next like two days and and like what what you're really uh keen on seeing with with the Eve for River hat is all coming up uh you know over the next 48 hours yeah but Mia was mad connecting maybe with New Vertical where they can explain that connecting with me verticals that they some have initial conversations but the real action is any thoughts in here right and this is where the hackers are the builders are and we expecting them to go and learn about

that there is a technology and start implementing man use cases everybody was seen planning and getting this kind of a solution that was it I didn't know that was pleasantly like type of rat shape onto the will with catez um then then I will convenience is in its art developeration like status so we start also to test that so developers that can stop in the news got Basin went up and view it way Madam Street show map calculations abstracted all the way that right and as America visit that will be with sophisticated announce it upon not

sophisticated so I'm super excited the builders go bad and we will have they do best yeah yeah and that that that's why where my imagination goes too it's like okay you know there's lots of conversation here but like the the people because it's hard to the people these people that are going to be hacking within that 48 Hours like they're the ones that can make our imagination into a reality like you know what I mean like oh when we have these ideas when we think you know there's so much that that could be built for so exciting for the news cases like that is so much fertile ground for this imagination uh over the next 48 hours the people that can turn that into a

real application or real product tangibility yes applications this uh right super bright brilliant young developer can be represent a chain GPT which is which is a jet CPT will verifiable market Desert technology and only have a certain everything yeah that's that's where that's what's the plot and we're gonna we're gonna keep spending the good words about more hackathons what you've worked for the events bringing you guys to these events so that you can participate in uh these hackathons and hats with cartesians

um I'd say there's plenty of there's plenty of Representatives um at Epic layer today last last night um I imagine they're going to be supporting hackers uh supporting builders that um we could put all of these Minds together the people who are more familiar with with cartesi and then these people that have very wild imaginations and great ideas um combine that with the knowledge of cartesi and they don't go live this out voice today absolutely and it works so Rob anyway and causing dogs um as far as like uh well the audience might want to know anyone who wants to get more involved uh what should they do your help today they should we should join the Arabic Spirit uh it's rap

everything happens uh ecosystem RMG discussions that says ugly female with this word it can reach out people there to start shedding you know they do is they have a great program accepting applications from them right and we are super rare timing hackers Ubers testers to come and try because there's technology and see how it can help but um I would say that we are in this deeper Market however it provides a lot that feels like there's something there right but I think very friendly perspective I think for a structure it's clear that we're breathing spilling something that I see the end of the diner thumbs up

but it's so exciting to any any infrastructure side at this moment so great time to the Allied and David in blockchain so uh that would be exciting time he's in group food notes in the next two years oh go-kart easy she was knocked out built right