Ethereum GPT, StakeWise v3 live and more - The Daily Gwei Refuel #695 - Ethereum Updates
29 Nov 2023 · 31:22
Anthony Sassano hosts this Daily Gwei Refuel recap of Ethereum news. The episode covers core developer discussions on the Dencun and Prague/Electra upgrades, Lido's rollout of distributed validator technology, and the mainnet launch of StakeWise V3. It also touches on different approaches to rollup sequencing and a GPT model trained on Ethereum's consensus layer API.
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hello everyone welcome to another episode of the delu refuel where up the latest news in E the ecosystem I'm your host and 29th of November 2023 all right everyone let's get into it so apologies for missing yesterday's episode everyone I know I say that a lot um but I always like to to apologize for missing episodes yesterday I actually had like quite a legit reason uh I'm I was on or I am on or I guess like today's my last day of a round of antibiotics uh and the last time I had antibiotics I'm pretty sure was when I was a baby or at least a very long time ago so they made me really tired yesterday and I just couldn't do a refu I was not in the state to do one so I kind of decided to to skip it there but I'm back today and
there is a bunch of stuff to get through I'm not going to bore you the details of my personal life let's start off with a cordev update from Tim boo here today so as you guys know denune is the next ethereum upgrade it is basically I guess uh feature complete we're just going through the motions of testing it on the dev Nets then the test Nets then getting it on Main Nets and obviously I've said before that I think that that's probably around March at this stage to get denune live but work has already been kind of started for a little while now on the upgrade after denune which is Prague Electra so prag for the execution layer and Electra for the consensus layer now the eips that are included in this um uh are already not included in this but are
like up for discussion to be included in this upgrade uh are already pretty well known some of them which I'll go through in a sec but Tim boo shared today an ethereum magician thread basically uh that will act as a way to discuss this next upgrade so you can see here that in the uh there's a there's a document here where was it on this GitHub issue here list out the potential eips that are going to be going into that upgrade or the the kind of like um Electra upgrade I mean I I think I they're trying to come up with a name for this upgrade like to combine the two names but I'm just going to call it Electra for now uh but you can see here I guess the most well-known EIP uh is probably EIP 7251 which is the one to increase the ma
max effective balance of validators which means that you can stake with more than 32 e as an effective balance on one validator uh I think the latest proposal has it going up to 248 eth and this would result in a lot less validators on the network uh but still the same amount of e stake so the security would basically be the same and I've explained before about how the reason why we have so many validators and the reason why this design was decided upon in the first place is because it was required to have a lot of validators for the original sharding design which are now changed like we we're doing dank shotting now we're doing data shotting so we don't need to to optimize for lots of validators so we can consolidate here and honestly it it's going to be an opt-in thing and it's
going to be kind of like uh interesting to see how much validators get Consolidated because it will be up to like the large providers rather than the smaller uh smaller providers obviously to to move the needle here but I'm curious because I know that there are some within the Lio Community for example or the Lio kind of ecosystem that aren't big big fans of this they think that it's going to increase the uh the slashing not risk but like the slashing penalties because if you have like all of this e on a validator then the slashing penalty uh you know go uh basically is it is technically the same as if you know let's say for example you have 100 validators right now and then you consolidate them all into one validator and you get slashed the penalty is pretty much the same for my
understanding and the risk is pretty much uh the same as well but I think that the main concern arises behind uh these larger operators what they like doing is that they like running validators in different uh places for example they might run 50 validators on AWS and 50 validators on Google Cloud just as an example right um which kind of uh I and and those validators would talk to their own individual full nodes which uh spreads out the risk now the thing is is that like these operators are still going to be able to do this and they're going to be able to do this with other tools such as DVT or distributed validated technology which I've talked about plenty of times on the refi before and I'm going to talk about actually today as well uh and and things like puffer which reduce slashing risk
there there are many tools out there to reduce your risk of being slash and reduce the consequences of it so I I don't think that's like a main concern there and I actually think that the benefits of this max effective balance increase uh vastly outweigh uh any kind of potential negatives uh because the main benefit obviously is taking a huge load off the network and making sure that the network remains stable well into the future because instead of having whatever it is right now 900,000 validator maybe we can collapse that down to even half of what it is it is right now and then keep collapsing it down from there and on top of that it also makes smaller staking operators and especially solo staking operators much more uh profitable and and they're able to kind of compound their stake because right now if you have like one validator
as a solo ster you have a 32 e validator you can't spin up another validator and you can't start earning rewards on your um e rewards that you get from that existing validator until you hit another 32 e right because there's that minimum balance of 32 e but there's also the maximum effective balance of 32 eth now with this proposal once it goes forward hopefully in this next upgrade after denune uh essentially what it allows for is allows for you to to automatically just roll your rewards into your existing validator and then you start earning uh uh staking rewards on that as well so there's no need to wait for 32 eth and that alone is a huge boom to solo stakers especially in the face of obviously these more efficient systems because they're larger like Lio um and and other kind of providers out there
like the centralized exchanges and things like that that is a huge Boon as as well so I'm very much looking forward to that that's probably my favorite EIP from this uh from this list so far my second favorite would probably be execution layer triggerable exits for for stake so how it works right now is that to exit from a validator from the beacon chain you have to do it through the consensus layer which means that you have to have withdrawal credentials and the only way that the validator gets exited is that the node operator has to exit it using those using those keys now with execution layer triggerable exits anyone could trigger uh withdrawal as long as they obviously follow the rules of the protocol but anyone could trigger their withdrawal on the execution layer which would make it much better from like a trustless withdrawal perspective
so you don't have to like trust that for example you go to Lio and say I want to withdraw then the lighter note operators have to actually exit that validator um on their own uh whereas now you can do it at the execution layer yourself and I mean it has to be integrated into the lto stack of course but that's my second kind of favorite here as well and then there's a bunch of e other eips here as well there are three related to ssz or ssz evocation which is a more technical thing there's another EIP uh about reusing validator indices basically every validator has an index assigned to it and of course when a validator is exited that index is no longer usable because an exited validator cannot re-enter uh with the same IND index they have to re-enter as a new validator and
they get a new index aside to them and really this is just kind of tidying up some stuff it's it's I mean it doesn't really make any difference but essentially you could reuse those old indices uh the ones that have been exited uh and and and and and it kind of like I guess like tidies up the code a little bit I guess um but yeah you can go check this out for yourself I'll link it in the YouTube description below and I also link the ethereum magician thread as well there uh but this is great like I'm very much looking forward to this I really really hope that we get max effective balance into this upgrade as I said there are concern there are some concerns and it's still in active discussion phase but you I guess like I would have to say that we're probably
not going to see electr go live until the end of 2024 if I had to guess to be honest like if we get Denon March yeah I can't really see it happening until Q4 uh 2024 but that's okay I think it gives it plenty gives us plenty of time to test all this stuff and to and to to put in the research that needs to be put into it as well as potentially other eips are getting proposed as as well here but yeah I'll leave that one for you guys to check out for yourself now I did mention that I was going to talk about DBT a little bit here now lios Dow has approved the deployment of a simple DVT module powered by obal I believe so basically this is a step towards rapidly diversifying the note Lio node operator set and driving Innovation within the
ethereum staking ecosystem there's a blog post all about this all about DVT and how it's going to be playing with L here now the reason why I'm excited about DVT but in the context of these staking providers is because it does allow for a more diverse and more decentralized and more distributed node operator set because I've been saying this for a while on the refuel and elsewhere actually I was saying this on the panel that I was on with um Daniel from swell last week but essentially we need to in the ethereum ecosystem uh as like our North Star when it comes to staking is to to uh to optimize for the most amount of node operators on the network like whether they be individuals or entities whether they be big node operators or small node operators
obviously we would love to optimize more for the smaller ones but generally that would come with you know that that's just a given the more node operators you have on the network right uh and that is true decentralization when you have a diverse distributed you know geographically diverse and decentralized node operator set now where that comes from is another thing like is it going to come from Lio is it going to come from Rocka pool is it going to come from Sol stakers well it's going to come from everywhere and then you can go above that and then look at okay well is there an entity that sits above those nde operators that has uh potential control over those nde operators or potential in influence over them uh in terms of like governance and when it comes to Lio uh and even Rocka poool to a lesser extent
uh there is right because it it sits under one AR yes Rocka pool has thousands of node operators but they are definitely under the Rocka pool umbrella so any changes affect them that that are made to the Rocka poool protocol right you know outside of any changes made to the ethereum protocol same is true for lato and Lio goes a step further where right now they don't have that many not not operators uh and they have obviously this governance process where the token isn't distributed very well uh the governance process is quite centralized as part of the Dow which isn't a li specific problem obviously it's it's a problem of um of many Dows within the ecos system but that's where you look at that you look at the governance layer from there like so even though even if L was to have like a thousand node
operators right it's all about where the power sits right and and kind of what the separations of Power are as as well from there like how much influence does the Dow have and I think that's the main point a lot of people Miss is that it's not necessarily about the node operators um uh themselves even though the node operators are important as I said it's it's the North Star it is definitely also about where those node operators sit and like what umbrella they sit under because some people will argue I mean I'm on the fence about this but some people will argue that lato has 36 note operators right now that you could say a 36 different entities but some people will argue that no it's actually one entity it's just Lio because Lio has that governance control there right and I actually sympath sympathize with that
argument but I'm still on the fence about this I don't honestly like I I don't have strong feelings one way or the other I see the the you know the the um the the viewpoints on either side but when you kind of like take it all together and you see okay well let's increase the node operator account let's make sure they're independent of each other but then like what umbrella are they sitting under and then you say okay well well right now 32% of all validators are sitting under the lto umbrella yes they're distributed into 36 different n operators but they're still sitting under that one umbrella well we don't think any provider should have that much market share on the network and that's why we're pushing for more competition we're pushing for people to not stake with Lio to stake elsewhere um because it's obviously just not very
healthy for the network there um so yeah that's a bit of a tangent there I guess on staking but DBT is going to play big part here I think um you know some people are on the fence about DVT as well they say you know is it really needed is it just going to add more risk like and I've talked about this on the refi before I'm not going to rehash it here uh but I think it's not strictly needed like it's not a critical thing but I think that like ethereum staking Works without it obviously but I think that works and then uh is different to can we make ethereum staking you know healthier like overall can we make the node operator set healthier can we uh uh make node operators themselves healthier and we can with DVT and other Technologies and other techniques so
that's why I'm definitely very excited about that but yeah you can check out L's blog post here about this I'll link it in the yoube description below as well as their little thread uh for you to check out all right so this has been a long time coming but stake wise V3 is now live on mainnet you can stake your eth with your favorite operators in the vaults Marketplace and explore defi opportunities with OS e which is uh stake Wiis liquid staking token now of course I have said before that I am going to uh set up a stake wise Vault uh and I haven't gotten around to doing it just yet but I definitely want to do it and it would be like a daily guay kind of public goods Vault where you guys could stay if you wanted to with me I would
run it all on my local hardware uh and essentially uh the proceeds would go to the protocol Guild or some other public goods I mean protocol Guild is the obvious choice as you guys know I I love I love the protocol Guild but uh yeah just public goods generally here but I think what statewise has done here is really cool because it's basically a permissionless lier I guess like that's the best way to think about it where you have this vaults this this vaults Marketplace here where you go browse vaults I'm just on the website for those of you listening to the podcast here you browse The Vault you connect your wallet and then you can choose from all of these different vaults here and anyone can set up a a vault um I it's completely permissionless from from what I know I don't I don't think it's
permissioned um it was permissioned during the beta but I think it's it's definitely permissionless uh uh right now from what I've seen uh and then you can just get started earning rewards uh you know take Maybe taking a cut if you want to take a cut of those rewards uh and then doing whatever you want with them there but you can see it's it's still early days here in terms of tvl in terms of how many volts there are but yeah I think this is really cool this just increases the amount of node operators on the network now actually in saying that as well there's one thing I forgot to mention before is that there's going to be cross-pollination between node operators too like you've got people that are node operators so for example I mean use me as an example right I'm a solo ster node operator like
pure solo Staker but I'm also a rocker pool node operator right and I would consider that one entity because I'm one person I'm one entity and you're going to see this a lot across the ecosystem where for example uh if I'm just looking at um statewise right now there are some names that I look at here and I'm like okay I've seen these names be part of other protocols like I know for example for sure crypto manufacturer here is actually part of Lio as well right so there's going to be cross-pollination and that means that you can't count these things as individual entities you have to basically look at them as the same entity and then calculate it from there and that's fine I don't think there's anything wrong with that because it still does spread out that uh I guess like um the where the assets are where
the stake is it does spread out the risk because you know these uh uh these validators are with Stak wise now instead of lato for example or they're with Rocka pool instead of Stak wise and Lio so it does spread that out but at the same time if the operator is the same then you can't count that as separate operators you have to count that as one node operator one entity which I think shouldn't be controversial but that's how I kind of look at it there but yeah as I said long time coming here for Stak wise V3 to be live on mainnet you should definitely go check them out I'll link it in the YouTube description below and I'll keep you guys updated on when I have my own Vault set up here so that you can potentially stake with it and then we
can get some public goods funded which would be very very cool all right uh moving on so Sigma Prime has a survey for Lighthouse users so if you are using the lighthouse consensus layer client this is a user experience survey that you should definitely fill out I I use Lighthouse and I have not filled this out yet I should definitely uh fill it out fill it out myself but just wanted to give it a shout out to anyone running the lighthouse client as a note operator their Sigma Prime wants your feedback so I'll link that in the YouTube description below and you can go check that out for yourself all right I came across this really interesting tweet thread today from decent Muse and it's basically a tweet thread covering a lot of the stuff that you have probably heard before I mean if you've listened to the refu long
enough you've definitely heard all of this before but what I like about this and I've said this before I like it when people other than my myself or like The Usual Suspects start talking about topics that you know myself and The Usual Suspects talk about all the time and in this case Dent Muse has done a thread all about the eth thesis right the eth investment thesis essentially and like what makes eth valuable and eth supply versus its demand and everything in between you you obviously have like the the burn the fee burn um the issuance ruction that came with the merge where the demand's going to come from uh and he he focuses a lot on l2s and and how the demand is going to come from l2s wanting to use ethereum block space and all that stuff in between there so I just wanted to give a shout
out to this thread because it's really great it actually um really nicely captures that whole kind of eth thesis that uh myself and others have been talking about for quite a while now uh and as I said I like to see it coming from people that aren't The Usual Suspects because it means the message is actually reaching new and different people out there and it's actually reaching a different audience because I've got my audience you know bankless has Their audience uh the different people on Twitter have their audience uh and then you have other people outside like Fidelity for example did a report rep on this as well uh I I think it was Fidelity or or van e I'm I'm pretty sure it was one of those two but it probably was Fidelity um but yeah you've got all this kind of um all this information
being propagated out there and it's all talking about things like the eth investment thesis you know ethereum scaling strategy with layer 2 uh and it's great to see people picking up the the kind of like uh slackia so to speak and educating people about this so I'll link this Twitter thread in the YouTube description below for you to check out all right so something interesting that I came across on Twitter was budha who is the co-founder of the beacon chain kind of ecosystem or the beacon chain website that I've highlighted a bunch on the refill before has built something called ethereum GPT which was trained with the consensus layer API specifications if you're a builder looking to access specific data or just have a question about staking you can try it at uh this this URL here which I'll link in the YouTube description
below and it also uses uh Ben uh Benjamin here um Benjamin uh Ben Edington I should say sorry that's his full name uh he's e two book as a preferred knowledge base and I've covered that B book before and about how it's like comprehensive uh knowledge on the beacon chain there but yeah you can go here and basically uh uh ask away you can basically ask things like what are attestations as as a um simple kind of example here an ethereum GPT will will automatically generate an answer for you you know searching through all the knowledge that it's been trained on and spit out an answer now it's doing that in the background here uh but this is really cool I like seeing the the merger here or the marriage between Ai and ethereum I know it's been a big top of discussion for a little while now
bankless has done a bunch of episodes on it I don't have like a strong opinion on how a plays into crypto I mean I'm definitely not an AI expert or anywhere near that I've been following along with the AI developments like pretty much all of you have um but when it comes to these sorts of stuff when people kind of train these these GPT uh bots on um or AIS I should say on specific knowledge and be able to spin out answers I think it's really really cool because like if I go back here and you can see that uh here we go it's actually asking answering the question of what are attestations it will give you the the answer here and it'll actually give you the API endpoint as well so I mean you can go check this out I'll link it in the YouTube description below but just
great to see people coming up with uh new and Innovative tools to fetch ethereum knowledge all right so sandip from polygon is teasing a bunch of announcements over the next few weeks so uh he says here on the 7th of December at polygon connect which is a polygon conference uh the polygon will bring inflection point in the history of blockchains in India so teasing something out of India uh there's a public demo for polygon's Next Generation Z ke ZK product on the 14th of December and on the 208th of December they apparently are changing the game for Real World assets and institutional adoption now this may have something to do with Kanto which as I mentioned before was a layer one but they actually um are a layer two now that's going to be building using polygon's Tech stack
so yeah just a bunch of announcements to keep an eye out for when it comes to the polygon ecosystem which which I'll definitely keep you guys updated on but yeah it's kind of funny because as we approach like the holiday period uh December Christmas all you know New Year's all that stuff it's going to be interesting to see what the new cycle is like because sometimes we're in a bull market during these periods sometimes we're in a bare market and obviously that that has a big effect on things like in for example 2020 December 2020 or January 2020 we're in a raging bull market like we just kicked off well we we were in a bull market for most of 2020 I would say at least half of it after the co dump but then in December things started really really accelerating into January and February
and by May eth was at 4,400 and BTC was at whatever it was 60k and then obviously we had the crash from there but uh this year it doesn't look like that's going to be the case I hope it is I mean I hope eth can break out of its Eternal crab range that it seems to be stuck in right now um but it seems like we have the ETF stuff happening as well I mean I talked about how the ETFs are probably going to be approved by Jan 10th so that may change things maybe we do have a hot period period during December and January but at the same time it's still early bull market things right it's still that transition period from crab to bull market it's definitely not uh the not not to the point where we were in December 2020 we're definitely
nowhere near that hot yet because December 2020 I mean BTC from memory was already at a new all-time high from there blasted past 20K and right now BTC even though it's you know almost 40K it's still not near 60k and I don't or 70k actually is its last all-time high um uh so yeah I mean looking at it like that and contextualizing it seems to to me it'll be a little bit of a quiet period over the holiday holiday period there but we'll have to say I mean I'll keep doing refills all the way through I probably will only miss like Christmas Day and New Year's Eve maybe to be honest um we'll have to see what I get up to on those days but I'm looking forward to seeing what people have to round out the year and it's actually like as an aside guys I can't believe
it's already almost the end of 2023 it's kind of crazy how fast time goes even in bare markets cuz crypto just moves so very very quickly but I am thinking 2024 is going to be really nice I think it's going to be a really great year for the markets I think it's going to be a great year for crypto adoption I think so many pieces are aligning on things I mean especially after denune goes live and we have IP 4844 live with The Blob style transactions making l2s cheaper we l2s just continue to grow as well like there's so much happening in this ecosystem right now uh and to be fair like there are things happening outside of ethereum as well but obviously I focus 100% on ethereum because it's just my jam uh but generally I'm I'm very muching looking forward to to 2024 there
but anyway we still got a month left of this year uh I but I'll keep you guys updated on what polygon comes out with over the next few weeks all right Nick here from the fuel team so fuel is a team building a layer 2 on on ethereum uh shared today that the fuel team did some hacking around Dev connect and built a working prototype of a web orn p-256 enabled native transaction signing using account abstraction live on testet now in playing English what does this mean well BAS basically it means that you can have a wallet with no seed phrase no install and Biometrics enabled now if you actually look at the video here you can see how it works you create a wallet use face ID to create the wallet with the pass key uh and then immediately have a wallet where you can send and receive
funds as I said there is no seed phrase there is no install and there is Biometrics enabled here this is again something that I've been covering a lot on the refu over the past few months about user experience and the future of wallets this is the future of wallets for for the ma vast majority of people and I mentioned the other day how Proto Lambda had like a tweet about wallets that he had used but he came at it from like an advanced user perspective and and and probably like more of a Crypton native perspective but the vast majority of people will never interact with crypto like the Crypt natives do they're going to interact with crypto through these sorts of things where they don't even see seed phasers no installs Biometrics just like they do with their banking app for example where they don't
see any of the back end and how it's all secured they just see like their balance uh you know their detail people to send them money they deta tell and then able to send other people money and it's just as simple as that right and then interacting with different apps can be done in various different ways but really that's how you achieve Mass adoption and that's true for like any technology and it's funny cuz I was thinking about user experience generally today and and I thought to myself I'm like it's actually hilarious like the user experience of crypto is still terrible uh if you compare it to something like web 2 where I'm I'm not comparing it to trafi because a trafi user experience is definitely varies greatly from uh country to Country even because different countries have different banking systems and all that sorts of stuff right but if you actually
just look at crypto ux and and look at it as a as a completely new user and say you want to do something on chain on ethereum or on L2 and choose from the existing wallets that are out there especially the popular ones it's it's not bad right it's not bad in the sense that uh you know it's it's so terrible it's so clunky whatever but it is nowhere near what it's like in web 2 land when you use like a social media app for example where it's like a couple of Clicks in your and a you go right and when it comes to uh banking apps I mean I know in Australia especially uh the the banking app uh the Commonwealth Bank is the biggest bank in Australia they have a a really slick banking up right I I mean it's it's it's really great from
a user experience perspective uh and when you look at that and then you look at the wallets that we have in crypto and the user experience overall there doesn't matter if it's on ethereum or other chains I mean ethereum is isn't great but other chains are absolutely just horrible like I've used the other chains and they're so bad I mean I I um I I used some of them recently even like the cosmos ecosystem is terrible like just I I couldn't believe how bad it was right but in saying all of that my main point here is that even though the ux is is that bad we've still been growing right crypto has still been growing it's not like uh crypto has been uh retracting or crypto growth has slowed down at all no crypto has continued to grow as I mentioned the other day layer
2os are continuing to grow the you know the asset prices aren't at all-time highs or anything like that but we're having more and more onchain usage I mean even in the the the bare Market in this transition period gas prices are up and now I know people say oh gas pric is going up or bad you know screw ethereum for the high gas prices but to me it's just like a barometer for demand it just shows that there's there's demand there and on the layer twos you can see all the activity on there it just shows that there's demand for these products there's people using them and also Bots and things like that as well but that's that's a fact of life when it comes to to anything online um but yeah even though the ux has been typically not great we've continued to grow and
continue to improve the ux over time and I think that we are in the Golden Age of ux at this point over the next couple years the way you interact with things is going to vastly change I mean unless you want to be an advanced user you just have to use one of these really simple wallets that don't have a seed phrase shown to you there's no install uh biometric enabled natively in your phone you on your iPhone with face ID and stuff like that and you have you'll just have a much better experience than you traditionally had uh within crypto and a much less clunky experience as well but at the end of the day if you're an advanced user and you still want to have that clunky experience because you see that there's opportunity that's not available on the on maybe the uh the
easy to use experiences then you're able to do that it's all about giving the user choice and that's what we have in crypto and that's what I you know definitely one of the things that excite me most about crypto is that you have user choice but anyway you can go check out this demo video I'll link it in the YouTube description below all right so aricon uh put out a great tweet thread today all about sequences or rollup sequences now I'm not going to read through the thread but he goes through a bunch of different misconceptions around what sequences are you know why having a centralized sequencer is a big deal and why it's not a big deal how uh different kind of uh sequences are designed all that good stuff there so I'll link this in the YouTube description below for you to check out but really like the two main
negatives of a centralized sequencer so only one party having a sequencer is around censorship and meev so for example with with it being like a centralized sequencer um your censorship resistance guarantees are very low because at any point in time that one sequencer could just censor your transactions at Layer Two um but depending on which layer two you're on you could still get your transactions through on layer one but you would have to use the layer one uh kind of validators to do that and that obviously costs more it's slower right but you can still do it I mean that's the whole point of an of a properly constructed rollup you have that escape hatch uh but if you want to use this the L2 and you want to pay those cheaper fees with a centralized sequencer there's always the risk of of censorship there and if
there's only one sequencer well then that's 100% censorship and and there's you're not getting a transaction in layer to and then the second thing is me whoever runs a sequencer can control the ordering of the transactions can extract the me uh so that's the the second biggest issue with centralized sequen sequencer but the nice thing about sequencers generally is that you don't need that many and you only need one of them to be honest for your transaction to to actually be included um and I think the bigger issue is probably around me than it is about around censorship because me uh has the economic incentive attached to it where there's not really an economic in incentive for censorship unless you're doing it in the context of me which just gets pretty crazy from there um but yeah anyway I'm not going to bore you with
with with the details there maybe you're not bored by the details but aricon does a better job of explaining it so I'll link his thread in the YouTube description below for you to check out all right this tab is a double up of the ethereum GPT that I talked about before so I'm going to close that one last thing to talk about was a list that I came across from Nathan sexa here it's a list of all of the ethereum events happening in 2024 now this is a Google doc it's a live Google do you'll be able to check it for any of the other ethereum events that are happening but essentially uh there are a lot of ethereum events happening around the world here as you can see uh obviously you can pick out the biggest ones like eth Denver and um and uh and Devcon and
maybe like uh e eth Global events as well and things like that um but yeah this would be a great list to keep track of to see which events that you want to be attending uh and you it's kind of funny because like there are multiple events each month basically starting in February there's none in January from what I can see but in February there's heaps of events March I mean I think March has the most events so far in it uh which is crazy uh and then yeah I mean I think every month like April yeah April May June July no events in August so far but maybe there will be I think D dcon is usually in August um so I don't think it's on that list right now but we we'll see I mean oh no it is it's in May apparently okay
they moved it around there so yeah no none in August so far none in December or January but still it's a full year of event so if you are someone who loves to go to all the events here's the list I'll link it in the YouTube description below for you to check out and a lot of people ask me what events I'm going to be attending uh I've said it on the refu but just to to rehash here definitely going to be attending eth Global Sydney and all of the satellite events that happen around that definitely going to be attending Devcon in Southeast Asia I think I mean if I if I was a betting man I would put my money on Vietnam at this stage of where it's going to happen um so I'm definitely going to be attending that other than that I don't know I may
attend permissionless three which is going to be happening in Salt Lake City in Utah uh but other than that I'm I'm not sure at this point in time I'll keep you guys updated but yeah those are the main events that I'll be attending there but anyway we'll link that in the YouTube description below for you to check out but I think on that note that's going to be it for today thank everyone for listening and watching be sure to subscribe to the channel if you haven't yet give it a thumbs up subscribe to newsletter join the Discord Channel and I'll catch you all tomorrow thanks everyone