ETH2 Staking Community Call #6 - Afri Schoedon

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enough to give us a shout out hello offering anybody are you currently muted but he has access to unmute okay you're unmuted hi how are you doing hello okay we're ready to record we're going I'm going to limbo yep okay hello everyone welcome to the sixth East acres community call we are a community of aetherium to stay kurz and we're slash are slash eats taker we hold these community calls every two weeks

about and just try to find out what what's going on in the etherium ecosystem today we have an exciting guest a free shodhan and let's see before we get started we're gonna do a couple of introductory things I'd like to introduce my co-host is Lambeau she aka Nolan and Nolan do you have anything special to say thanks for coming on and we appreciate it you can follow him on twitter at a four Fri and you can follow us at you too SCC I'm so glad you're here because I just love your newsletter

so I want to give you that real quick patricio do you want to share a little bit about we have some really fun so I think most of those unicolor really gonna go up so I don't need to explain you my body parts or how it's important to get it here now that we are new mechanisms for the cleaning process and this time you may have the opportunity to pay for your own my mining fee which is something we really we really need it for sustainability because we couldn't afford a no increase of everyone in the whole new intro up so bear with us nothing worked nicely if we thought if

it does works nicely also let us know and in any case I'm very open to feedback of all sorts and that's pretty much it you will be getting a private message from the user Buddha bu t ta and if I yield of the call you didn't get the message with the play me link just read on the chart and we will make sure you get it and I think that's it and it's at this time okay so we're gonna get rocking and rolling for anybody who hasn't seen this call before it lasts about an hour the general idea is just to let our guests tell us where they're coming from

we I do have a bunch of questions but more importantly than the questions we just want to find out what's on offer his mind so they offer how are you okay thanks for having me yo we're glad you're one of the I think one of the most interesting people in the entire space and so it's it's super exciting to figure out how you tick so to begin would you just tell us a little bit about where you come from what so maybe your background and how you wound up dealing with blockchain technology oh yeah sure I can certainly do that but first I want to know why he's he's

working on he's working on sending po apps oh okay yeah sure so thanks for having me I'm some kind of long-term member of silicon community I've been spending a couple of years working unprofessionally and professionally in crypto my background I I used to study applied Computer Sciences I have some degrees in Computer Sciences I was specialized graphic systems and geographic visualization but eventually I I had a

very good offer on PhD and but I some point decided to go full-time and Twitter and this is when I joined parity three years ago that's that's my background I don't know I can I can go into details but you have to tell me what you want to know is I know a lot of people begin with Bitcoin and migrated to etherium and I also know that you have more than most of us you I I don't know that that you would be described as an ethereal mask maximalist like I definitely describe myself as a mystery if they're in masks almost but I see that you know you you're it you have a lot of different interests did you begin with Bitcoin and migrate or did you find

some other foothold in yeah and I mean I I started a lot of people did I had a friend around 2012-2013 telling me like sending me links looks this is because interesting don't you think and I was like just ended by being at whatever you know I just didn't care about or just it was some kind of like major news outlets covering Bitcoin x 8 some failed to make me interested in this space and this all changed suddenly when I was reading this book cypherpunks which is written as a yellow between Julian Assange shake at

the bomb was just like four people and they had an entire chapter on Bitcoin and just it was like I was sucked into it like right from the start because readings from this perspective I completely understood this potential impact on financial system society in general I was witness in my application and I came home and moved up my workstation at home and just try to figure out what's going on this is how I got into Bitcoin and this is how I and yeah i i'm not a maximalist I still use Bitcoin as of today sometimes not

often that I'm still was also may be good to honors inheritance but we are most of us are coming from Bitcoin and reality probably it soon wouldn't be around if we didn't have good con in the early days so I still believe as an important place assume also - but there's enough space for all equines one of the things I admire about you is you have not focused on one specific thing like I the more time I spend looking and reading and researching the more I focus on aetherium because it seems to solve

the things I'm interested in but I really wish that I had the mental ability to zoom out and maintain a perspective on the value that other projects bring and I personally struggle with that so I I think it's neat that you walk that fine line of being interested in several things and continuing to investigate them without being locked in there's people ask about your username and I use I think it's a qfm I think is that it's q9f q9f and QM get people are curious about where that comes from that's pure just random that no it's I'm always coming from from from strong

beware background I always try to focus on privacy I always try to focus on security and I used to just I mean in a general rule of thumb you should like use different usernames on all platforms and across Intendant they know like just try to obfuscate your profile I was kind of lazy doing this so I did since like every January every New Year's Eve I just came up with a new identity and I start building a new identity folks questioned I mean now that I mean professionally of course everyone knows that's me but I just keeps to iterating or using it's just kind of just kind of a heathered is it hard for you like I get

I'm stuck on this username like I used to rotate every three months I would switch usernames and now I'm stuck with this one because I have a recognizable identity do you struggle with like the anonymity is nice when you can go and say something and people judge it based on the quality of your words rather than your personality do you miss having that anonymity it comes with advantages it comes with disadvantages and I certainly it's it's quite interesting what you said yes it's interesting because if I post something and people don't recognize this it's me

then they react completely different piece then which they would knew that it's me because it's just implied Authority I don't think I had about 30 bucks it because I'm in the space so long there's just like some natural effect like natural Authority that people give my words even though I don't feel like very privileged just bigger and it's interesting to see when I was happy that I was switched when you were something like people react totally different this is interesting yeah that was I I noticed that and I one of the things I want to do is is not go too much into the past but I noticed a shift in the way that your account was

regarded on reddit between what was going on several months ago and then what's going on or you know the current so I I know that it's not just you saying that because I've observed it as well so moving on to what you actually contribute and before I characterize that would you tell us what how you describe your role like I think of you as a test net coordinator what what do you see is your role in ëthere iam execu that I've been doing tests for the background years that I met with society front chain safe in Toronto too

years ago and we were like adding belong warp in apart and and we were discussing this problem is during the days like this one test platform gets client as one just went from here to claim and then there's that blocks a lot of time but it's so unreliable that there was kind of situation in the testing environment for applications that then needs to be something done and and we we had in the same some artists East Berlin coming up and we decided to try and I mean just was a story and we went to East Berlin we we tried to hack or approval Authority engineer to guess I believe we broke disqualified we first

bought my cat runs anywhere disqualified but this idea lived one and eventually we managed to launch the grant estimate which is today where we and I'm really proud that we didn't give up back then and that we managed to fulfill this vision of having this cross client test at one test met for our clients it was really beneficial that Pegasus was launching with a base of client back then and that NASA mind was also interested and just joined this new effort right from the start so we had in a short amount time four or five clients working together just met together and ever since I figured that assume one was a good position and I moved one for his

to just reach out to Danny and ask hey what do you think I have some spare time now and what about myself this is my free time investigating potential of Eastern to chestnuts and he said after that's a perfect timing because we just need to get there and we need someone because you know just research but they're sometimes in the middle that just holds all the loose ends and tries to put them together in a way

and they've also challenged I really like to take up and I mean the antico to start a cancer so all all I did is basically just reading documentation whenever available and putting so is this is just because I'm not even and I think other people may understand this better than I do is launching so I get the POA the Gurley test net long that makes sense to me but as far as launching a neath to test net are you basically creating a configuration and distributing that for adoption and the clients well can you tell me how how you

how you create an e to test net yeah actually so how this works out because I'm not an expert on his own to specification and I had to learn all this myself - it was a recent months what I did first was like going on Stack Exchange and like just asking dumb questions and people patient the answers that because if we have the specification but there's not much documentation about the process and in the end when I figured out all these pieces I I brought this blog article how to run your own beacon Shane because I believe this it's some kind of interesting process putting all these pieces together at four steps first one

is you need to - contract so you need to interface between each one of these - so naturally I keep deploying Genesis contracts posit contracts - chestnut and then you can configure a lot of the second step is that you need chain specification for this to become Shane where you have a lot of constants and variables in there that defines the behavior and genesis of this chain and so deposit contract on these two and cisco population is two plants basically defines how this shape will be launched

as the clients are speaks is up so it's it was contracts they're using posit set aside are these deposits valid and once there's some threshold Matt of minimum deposits they decide okay this looks like against this event it then decides to dislike an algorithm that decides with time and since they print out two times ten and say this is all against this time and that's it basically so taking taking this we basically have everything to launch and the soon to maintenance what was just missing was that you need long more testing so I know there was I know it was been making this could launch my own no yeah so I mean so I

know somebody was you you just posted on Twitter a couple hours ago that you would you would give dates if you were asked and so offering what what dates can you offer us I don't know the answer I would just I wanted to throw that out there and see you'd give us almost provoking this question yes because I do not give dates I don't think it's beneficial if this that's not good just go out and say it's January this earth or go out and say it's rude I because there needs to be certain boxes check certain milestones met and certain tests

be done before we go form a net launch and if you want to I can can walk is for everything that's missing form a net launch and then if you take pen and paper you can do your math but I will not just come up with you Tate and because this will be just confusing people will blame me for as a delay in stuff or for coming up with states that are not accurate it's funny I feel thrilled now because I would not have dared ask you about dates except you say ask about dates and I'm like I am well why not you want to talk about and that would be unfair there's the

quote right there so well that question answer the elaborate on the question you know in a way that that you feel like is informative then how's that yeah tell us what boxes need to be checked okay so my one test that specifically is important for Road not because having this Motel client test at stage entered now is basically the last stage before we can consider in a late lunch so what I've

done in a dream was launching this crazy test net which had two clients I actually wanted to test that before that and March this name was Teague and lighthouse lighthouse and prison in in Genesis so the posts and interesting milestone because this was so the first one was basically just connecting one knows - Ronnie tested but Ashley's chestnut was the first one that actually had two different lines as Genesis validator so it was basically it will fail completely or would survive and surprisingly it survived and I mean there were some rough backs in the

beginning and the client genes were really had full and really cooperate and fixing bugs instruction amazing fast response time so this is 17 April and then just had last week's the t-test net which had three clients and Genesis so we have chiku lighthouse and frozen now starting right at Genesis so this shows that we have roughly everything you need working towards a stable mainly net like test net so what what's next is by the key seeing that this chestnut the witty

test net is stable enough to move on to New Testaments there's one roadblock that we still have a small version bomb in the spec so there some minor changes that need to be implemented across the clients this once the step is done this will happen within the next weeks I believe so we have beginning a few hours and just will happen this month certainly and probably the most important plans will have issues out there was this new version of the spec and then we will do the same thing again we will once again create definite was at least three valid areas in Genesis we will maybe have a form maybe maybe in

other clans able to I I don't know yet but three is enough for now so that we can do another release with three clients would be nice and this we once again show us unstable the clients are and if this works out and then we are at the point where we say we go to this and this is what users often ask me about is official multi-client chestnuts I mean I don't like this term official but there will be what will be is more user facing so that booty is more developer Network where enthusiasts and developers can try to break it but it's not like everyone should be encouraged to for it's a very

easy test and eventually after or after we successfully tested those version of suspect we might be able to launch this official girl not a testament and then we are in this official stage I always say then we are getting ready for mania basically because this is fun stable enough but if we can prove success is running was tense tense thousands of validators at least three major clients and the stable and you don't find any networking issues

consensus issues like any major hiccups then when you can consider moving on to those long process of a main launch which is rich in what again this is event which needs to be introduced through an official or like officially recognized deposit contract ceremony because everyone has to agree that this deposit contract is the one we are going to use and this will probably involve involve getting a lot of high reputation people on the table I don't know I wondered if that was going to be a

physical or a like video conference event I guess the girly launch was a physical event wasn't it yeah it was I saw that yeah that was fun maybe seize the moment because we had such conference here in Berlin and we just yeah it was nice but it doesn't have to be because it's just not much magic around it what it's more like I don't know I know this card from the student foundation was working on this official deposit contract ceremonies but I don't know exactly what's a student a but it will be some kind of way to prove

that's the context everyone should be using it once the reason I yeah I'm sorry the reason I ask that is the in-person meetings are neat from the social perspective like everyone likes to see and take pictures but they are less effective from a technological perspective because people aren't doing the thing they want to do which is sitting behind their keyboard and verifying that that's the correct contract and sending transactions so it seems almost like a conflicting interest because it on one hand the in person has a lot of benefit but they're behind the keyboard also has its own its own benefit so I just I was curious how it would wind up yeah I mean you can also meet physically and student

people for the fog early launch it was kind of cheating because we only had one Authority and I was was pressing a button on my keyboard and since this red button scene was all fake because it didn't work out give me just a minute I've been paying attention I want to see what were the things people were interested so I'm maybe I'm distracted by my toddler I miss a lot as I'm as we're progressing and I know that slushee is say that play for me please lessee Suzy sleazy thank you sleazy ended and it was

mine my assumption that subsequent test nets would also be called sleazy we switched to witty is witty going to be iterated or as witty one woody - woody three or will we rename the test net as we progress from there yeah I didn't it's good to have a name because when you publish configurations it's good to have just some kind of spring - takes us and he Betty when which lazy failed it was stupid I just checked on my last validator two days ago so we had already really up and running when she was - technically still running so it was good

to just come up with a new name and I believe the future reiterate test nets we will just jump from subway stations of subway stations which clients are currently at version 0.12 but something I will try to find out soon because once we have two or three clients ready we will suddenly start having tested you an opinion on the two or three clients for Maine net Genesis and our or like

the two or three months for how long the test net has to run before it's certified for release I know there's some sort of a debate there hmm you mean my opinions numbers yes your opinion yeah so having more plans a crucial part of the issue that philosophy I believe and I believe that the serum one was successfully costs a did not goes as Bitcoin passage there should be only one consensus implementation and I believe it was a lot so many benefits having not canceled I would argue for sweet lands and so far

lazy and witty testing showed you have at least three plans that can check these boxes from my net wash and I believe which it's not too much ask to say we should go through clients on the timing I'm I'm coming from software development background and I prefer more conservative at times timelines and we could do two months but I believe more secure because this could also give us

time to not only test this test net and Genesis and like setting up alligators but it could also test we were unable to test long-term maintenance maintenance cycle its what to do we had to I don't know bump for the core version or what folks you know we had some time to actually play around on a test for a long time and I believe you should go for three clients and three months but this said also does not means that this entire magnet wheels process should be sequential so we could also do you could

also spool a main net deposit contract ceremony way before done being done fin testing one participant you know what I mean so this dance mode certainly means that having one more month of testing on on test net that'll certainly delays it process one more months unless we find some issues you know so we could just in so we could have some chemists contract Jesus on this posit contract ceremony at some point and say is deposit and then we say this time at day X and in then we know we have like you know another 30

days Jesus day X happening in case in this week 30 days yes test that we can just bounce this time for another 30 days so we have this buffer of time so you know what I mean so this is we should I would always advise for more and longer testing but start on certainly means as much delaying entire brain that process and there's also yes and so I didn't mean here at you okay [Music] because once once you have this deposit contract deployed to EC remain at least

one manner then we also need 16000 validator deposit so this is also something this will not happen Muslim one or two dates make maybe it would but I believe might take some weeks to amber just but also at some time to the clock of do you experience the the pressure to ship I know that is at least from the community like as a as we're watching chains develop as we're watching technology you know things are moving very quickly do you experience the the pressure to get a product shipped or are you do you feel like comfortable and and I guess maybe

that's that's one of the things that's come up like your your comfort with iterative testing is a greater comfort zone than most people who or many people who are more focused on shipping is that do you see your thing there I mean I sometimes roam Reddit and I sometimes get mentioned on Twitter and is there some kind of prescience people some people are good but some people are like understanding and I mean some kind of history being more conservative in terms of putting out times and I've been also

I think I also take for like calling out Lexus Constantinople for being moved from November to January which it was not my decision but mostly mainly my octave as a observation and after after all these years in assuming I think I can do this to some degree and I believe take us more important and testings more importance and giving in to the pressure to ship so I think I think that's a wise perspective i I just like I feel I constantly feel the pressure to I feel the pressure for the community to be an aetherium to while I recognize the need

for developers to do solid work but they're always there competing in my mind I just like I I was always I've been curious to know how that works for you it is it's obviously more important that patek is right so one of the one of the things we were worrying about have you have you seen attacks on witty do you you monitor that and I hope it's okay if I shift gears like that do you monitor witty on an ongoing basis have you seen any any not bugs in the spec but attacks from or attempted attacks from other users yes so so I've seen that some users are doing that debunking and

getting slashed for it and I keep using the same Explorer to just slash attack for instance every see directed slashings in the past but this is not my my my core focus is more on the client side yes because I know we have a lot of eyes on us what I'm doing is making sure that clients do what they are supposed to do I just hit my one of my belly Gators going down yesterday and I keep having taps on offices and I keep working closely together this client is

submitting impact reports somebody who looks trying to figure out for professionals how to keep yeah so I know that so your focus is on looking for correct submissions rather than looking for attack vectors is that would that be fair yeah okay I have to admit I haven't launched a validator on plessy up witty and I think that the barrier to hopping on these dev

test nuts is is maybe more than some people are willing to tackle are you interested in improving access to witty or one at all okay so as a dev test net it's it's something that the smaller and more efficient the leaner the better is that where we're at it's it's clearly you dive down it is documentation to figure out how to rather than data in British and you're more than welcome to do so but if you if you can't figure this out it's and it's just not your time yet because this is a definite that will be fast failing and we might be launching a new test not every we go on

every buck we find so it's basically just flowing out and wasting your lease there will be whenever you know it's coming again official test net this will have much more features for end-users which makes making deposits more easy running evaluators more convenient and so I know people are working on UX so in terms of something like prismatic stess net topaz versus witty it appears that their goals are very different

whereas Toto pad we will you explain that rather than me trying to characterize it yes so topaz was a single client chest now it's only client that can run this test it was the present client and it was launched initially by 16000 casus belli hated Emily posted by cosmetic laps and then they made mounting it and take launch website where you can create deposits and stuff and this is clearly the goal math testing present present client to

test how how easy just one more people to be trained what are the pain points of magnetic posits and running validators and charismatic that steam present client but the scope of multiplying test entire different and it's more like trying to make this things work together once is all works together then this software these websites of you knows deposit website focus a good work on a multi-client test in the future did aniline takes the same it's just allow us to add other notes to the tour bus

just met also on lazy we had like 400 validators on wiki we have 700 now hang on and Tobin I almost 30 solved I didn't shake Vegas Pamela's puppets it's just different scale and if we were truly ready to in a way we stopped us and we would have a lot of influx of validators and there's this issue that yes incentive to keep this test my delight so my business problem that if too many people just posit very ease into the contract and do not maintain supposed to maintain their validated in the network might die just from from lack of

incentive and I know there's it works out for right now but for small adjustments like would be amazing yeah okay so I feel like some of the questions I'm asking you're not not questions of your specialty but you're so broadly knowledgeable that I'm just curious to ask you would you have any ideas about about whether an incentivized version of the multi-client test net would would fly would work or is that something that would be counterproductive in some way so as incentivize I mean obviously getting

paid eath to not if anybody has a statute what I mean if to because it hasn't been Genesis yeah I'll just let you take that and flush it or whatever yes I mean the idea is out there I know other project outside of the space Afghans as before right now I'm I'm actually we really need an incentive sent about as much I think of the Biddy that or not yeah I don't see I mean I'm not an

expert on this but I don't see the benefits outweighing the issues that come with secularization and I also believe enthusiastic enough to keep the organization so I don't want to say that we will not see incentive as chestnuts for soon but right now it's it's not my program I also did not do and that we started to make look like so I love I love that you maintain scope and because you know I may be asked a

couple questions that are outside of your scope and I love how you maintain scope are there things inside of your scope maybe that you're thinking or or questions inside your scope that I'm that you would just liked it to share with us that that I haven't breached so I feel ether has asked about the safety of deposits on the D key chain so if the beacon chain fails after the deposit contract has been launched what happens to those deposits within the beacon chain and I have my idea but I guess

I'll go ahead and let you address that so first of all I always advise to do a lot of testing and proper testing so we'll eventually not fail the people change has landed but in case it happens and it's not a couple other and there's like no way to fix the speaking chain we could just discourage and watching the division the same because it contracted unless there is an issue with the country which I hope there isn't but so the same is if you have the deposit contract on ease and you have like 100,000 deposits

already and you already have like a progress is to be future in spades we could just degrades as we can change to a test mode which would be very unfortunate because people would have invested money to is taking on it but to avoid that they lose their entire is to deposit we could just reuse the same deposit contract the same deposits and start anew be ashamed if it was just one of feeling so investment or like say deposits but they might lose some money on it's taking infrastructure so make

sense do you think do you plan to stake if they're in it when the network goes live or is this it's an exercise in test nets for you or do you think that like you're going to run validators for the long haul I suddenly was wrong but II didn't swim do you have a favorite client with the recipe offending somebody maybe what do you think is most confusing about about people who are new to e theorem - that's two questions and I don't want to offend anyone but we had I mean we had a lot of

to plan which is kind of interesting to see and the different stage elements kind of enter the norms problem here but I find it wasn't very comfortable working with an eye transplant I also figure out that contributing to the transplants easier than other plans I was really impressed by the work of the cable team which is including such a short time to build plans it's able to participate in I do see some potential

thousand clients but I have my problems running it and I don't want to offend anyone and I also came to cater to the team already in process and I also participated in the recent developer survey so probably where my my internet popped out or my network screech to crawl and I got a screen freeze when you what was the last client that you mentioned that you said you were having difficulty with frozen okay well that's that's the one I've spent the most time with but I I did have a similar

experience of white house being very easy to get up and running what has been your experience with Nimbus I'm not I'm not looking I'm not here to air dirty laundry I'm just curious from your perspective if I'm not I'm not encouraging you to say something you know so there's just so much bandwidth that one person has to test fans and actually adding each client I had to chest noises like increasing so complexity exponentially and Nimbus was always very high up on my list because I really wanted to figure out language and I know

the team has been busy or why but I barely managed to run Linda's note on easy and I know it almost it's I don't have enough data to evaluation as a client it it just it seemed to me at least from I forgot what they called the lock in a few months ago it seemed that Nimbus was was humming along and I ran it on Android and was was very surprised that it was easy to get up and running I just didn't know how compatible it was with with witty but if if there are difficulty with the clients that's that's generally a client level modification there right because

we assume that that the network configuration so we assume that Witte is correct and that if clients aren't communicating correctly with that it's a client failure isn't that is that correct yes what's the question so what do you mean just understanding so take for example the differences between topaz and witty they both use a main net if if one of and Nimbus wanted to connect to one of them just saying hypothetically if Nimbus failed to connect we would assume then that it was

a difficulty with the Nimbus client and not some kind of difficulty with the chain configuration is that yeah so you're saying if you only have one clients and you don't really have certainty that your specifications implemented correctly and so we have this situation on the top assessment that service and miner consensus affecting back which doesn't allow other clients to connect to us we means said technically other clans could connect to it it's a rare to specifically implement this back in their client and the difference to which is that having three clients at Genesis you always have to ensure that our

clients aligned to the spec so if one client fails and their families only this one client dropping out and this one client has to be fixed through dot visual on the other clients according to the spec and if you only had one as a singing client estimates and political to discover consensus parks and it's not certainly an issue of the client the other client adding to it but maybe might be also the first client initially instructing in network so what I'm gathering is if you begin and this seems to be what's happening with with sleazy and and witty is that you're adding them one at a time because if you have a stable test net with two and things look

fine then you add a third then you have a fair idea that the third one would be causing the trouble is that if am i understanding that correctly no you try to launch with all the same time that's why I said why is there so much complexity and what that's why there's probably not probably not happening with there will be more than three clients at Kansas in future Tesla's okay so Joseph C muttering we'll a multi-client consensus failure in recovery be tested on a multi-client test net so I guess he means hard work I think we've been discussing this before

so his questions was his context is that we had multiple failures in autism that we need to shine split and then losing finality and we were unable to recover it and the question is what if this was Maynard and what what are we going to do to ensure that this will not happen on main attend the short answer is that there is simply no incentive to recover the shop failing test nests because you know I do a lot of deposits on girly I am a bit sloppy with key management because I know this

keys disabilities zero and at some point for example lighthouse blind upgraded some II's I store my turkeys and I had to manually remove some kind of heading in the private key or file and I messed up somehow and then I lost keys and and this is a way with something you would never do on my net because you have like at least three backups of everything and everywhere and and keeping your grandma has them and so the question is kind of tricky because of course you want to

test this but this might be a good use case for incentivize chestnut because it's so much easier to just throw away the old keys throw away the old configurations and start a new test method hopefully we won't break it again ok do you have any Joseph C's also asking about protecting and mitigating denial of service attacks is that something you can speak on because I assume so yes ok fair enough

um I think we've hit most of our questions in the chat Patricio where we at on the poetic thing and so we run into some unexpected issues sadly um we will fix them and the goats you were given are going to be working so keep them safe as soon as the call finishes the chaton soon disappears so make sure your take it out of it and we will announce it on the each takers discord when it's fixed hopefully soon and in every case you should skip the link maybe on next month called you can

claim both both at once or we do something I also kept a list of every member on the call so if for whatever reason you even lost the code or something we will make sure you forget it it could be important to get this code because we are working with some organizations in the code system to keep some benefits to people attending this sort of community events especially on something that's important and it's taking because the more different entities is taking the better for the network so it could happen that because you got these coops on previous coops and coops and you get some sort of discount or something or early access to forever or prioritize tech support so

please keep the pub safe and bare with us until we issue that it's not that is preventing us for climbing dams ok thank you so much for supporting the perhaps like I it's kind of a new thing you use these offer you have you check them out I'm a big fan yes to follow up with parties to because I'm missing something that's the reason you came here today isn't it you wanted thanks again for paqu for for running this offer do you have any any closing thoughts anything

you want to get off your mind for us yeah thank you do our best thank you for coming out a free we appreciate it it's it's been a great call I enjoyed the time with you I have trouble attending now but I'm looking forward to rewatching the call and and hearing it for the first time buta thank you for handing out those PO apps and I guess hopefully we'll be able to clean and claim them soon Thanks to everyone for coming and it doesn't do any good to tell you all this but this will be up on YouTube soon and

posted two to reddit.com slash are slash eats taker so thanks everyone guys King invited everyone to our next non guest call what we will be testing the new remote software and so we are team you can explain him in a minute what the plan is yeah okay so I love the theory of the I'm sorry the bi-weekly calls but I've been interested in a new platform called Remo Co what I haven't wanted to do is invite a guest while we're testing that platform like so if we invited off for today and everything crashed and burned it would be disrespectful to his

knowledge to for us to spend all of our time scrambling so the next call is is not going to involve any guests it's going to but we're going to switch to a the Remo Remo platform and try it if it works great if it doesn't we can always come back here or try something different so in two weeks we're gonna meet up marieee mo platform has two features and has this which is fine but then you can also switch gears into a small group meeting room where you can bounce around and meet other people JT and I JT nickel from he finance I almost said the other side from me finance and I spent a while visiting there it was just the neatest little small group

individual meeting conference space kind of thing virtually you it actually shows you the floor plan of a hotel lobby and you choose which seat you want to sit in and you're with other people and you basically are in a small conference room where you have a video chat with them just kind of learning how other people think and what they think of what's going on so that's the plan for the next call any other business we have okay thanks every week thanks for coming out everyone thank you thank you