EigenLayer updates, Parsec Explorer and more - The Daily Gwei Refuel #701 - Ethereum Updates

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hello everyone and welcome to another episode of theway refuel where C latest news in the eum ecosystem I'm your host and the 7th of December 2023 all right everyone let's get into it so before we get into the news just wanted to say a quick thanks to everyone who uh wished me well on the 700th episode from yesterday it was interesting to see all the replies of when you guys started listening a couple of people said they had listened since day one and even the eth Hub days or the inter The Ether days when I used to do that with Eric Connor so yeah thank you to everyone for being long-term supporters of the show there I hope you've learned a lot from me over the years and you're going to continue to learn a lot from me over the years to come because as I mentioned yesterday I

have no plans on stopping the refuel you know I I sometimes get pretty frustrated with the crypto ecosystem especially going on crypto Twitter and seeing all the bad narratives being spread which I'm actually going to talk about more at the end of this episode today but what keeps me going really and what I don't want to stop doing is is the refuel I enjoy it way too much I enjoy educating people way too much and I just enjoy keeping up with the ethereum ecosystem so yeah I'm I mean you guys are stuck with me for years to come Maybe not maybe stuck with me is the wrong term to use there maybe you enjoy being stuck with me I'm sure you do but anyway I'm going to move into the news now enough about that so first up here we have an update from the ethereum foundation

ecosystem support program so they posted earlier this year the ESP hosted the run a node grants round to encourage the exploration of diverse ideas for operating nodes Beyond running a validator uh and then you can click into this blog post and see which projects were actually supported here there were a total of 243 applicants out of all the applications that they evaluated they selected 30 recipients from 23 different uh compan countries to receive sport uh support to run nodes and you can actually see the geographic distribution of the nodes here sadly it doesn't look like any were were selected for Australia or even our uh our friends in New Zealand here but there was representation across Asia North America Europe South America and Africa so I

think pretty much like everywhere except like every continent except the Australia here but I mean they can't cover everything especially when there's only uh 35 recipients here for them to to cover uh but essentially the hardware Choice was a either a custom build or dap node dap node accounted for 83% custom build about 16% and then you can scroll down you can actually see each of the 35 recipients here listed uh and basically a little description about them so if you're interested in learning about about that I'll link it in the YouTube description below but generally you know I'm obviously in favor of any efforts to get more people to run ethereum full node and to run validators I know that running a validator is obviously a taller ask as a as a solo validator because you either have to have 32 e or you have to have 8 e and

some RPL if you want to rock want to rock a pool mini pool um or you can do things like DVT now with with obal uh they currently allow for 10 people to Squad stake so you can just bring 3.2 eth each but really when you think about kind of the global I guess population and how much money they would have access to to be able to spin up a validator like even 3.2 eth is a huge ass guys like that's over 10 no I'm thinking in Australian dollars right now I should say it in US Dollars that's like over six grand right I mean almost almost 7 Grand or something like that us definitely over 10,000 Australian um most people do not have that you know in their bank account let alone to spare so when we think about allowing people to

stake or run a validator within ethereum we do have to collapse that down even further than that but then there's also the hardware cost too which isn't obviously expensive but uh but still it's a cost that they have to have to endure as well as having um an active internet connection and and active electricity so there's a lot more that goes into it when we're talking about the global Community because you can talk about First World countries and first world places like obviously the US and and and and Europe and things like that um and and and uh you know there I mean there's a lot of places like that but then there are a lot of places that aren't anything like that right there a lot of places that don't have necessarily super reliable um internet and and and power um but even on on top

of that even if they do the as I said the people don't have the money in order to uh be able to afford the hardware let alone the capital cost to run a validator there and at the same time as well there's also a limit here because you can drop the validator cost down to like let's just say 0.18 and at current prices that's $2 what $20 or something like that right so let's say it's $220 uh that you have to put up in order to run a validator because you're using some DVT technology and then you're Squad saking with other people and you're able to run a validator okay now how much money are you making on that well you're not making very much because even if you're making like 4% on $220 that's that's basically nothing okay so why does that matter like okay it's

obviously not nothing and maybe it means something to to to people but why does that matter well it matters because it more than certainly is costing you way more than the rewards that you're getting in order to run that validator using the hardware and also paying for internet and paying for electricity so really there is a point where you reach an equilibrium of being a profitable validator and that point is way above 0.1 e or even even 1 E depending on Hardware um electricity and internet costs of course and also just time costs too so and and this isn't unique to ethereum this is unique to basically everything right like and and this is the thing like if you uh are going to stake with that small amount um and you want to be able to make a return and not have the cost associated with it then of

course you're not going to be running your own validator right you're not going to be running your own full node what you're going to be doing is staking with another provider such as liato or buy you know buying Ste buying re buying um CB or staking with coinbase or or binance uh because obviously if you've only got like even I mean if you've only got even one eth at current prices it may not be worth it to you because the rewards that you're getting from that do not make up for for your running costs even though the running costs are very low compared to proof of work um and you know or just generally on ethereum it's still something that I think that you have to have a certain amount of capital to justify the cost now of course you can run a full node and just running a

full node without a validator attou is always running it at a loss pretty much unless you're running some sort of business offit that you have paying customers for but generally you know you're running it at a loss because you're not getting a reward for that and the thing is is that that's why people run a full node and run validators attached to it to make it worth their wild but also running a full node is is definitely something that you you want you want to do just to be self- Sovereign and you want people you want you want people to have the ability to do as well in order to verify the chain I mean there there's so many obviously uh things that go into it not just the profitability aspect but I think that's what a lot of people miss about about lowering the barrier to entry to run an

ethereum validator is that I'd love to lower it as much as possible but at a certain point it just does not make economic sense to do so and it becomes a a a losing thing for people and people can obviously cover the costs in different ways and maybe they're happy to do that but if we're talking about targeting the people that don't have you know much money to begin with then they're definitely better off staking with a provider and you know what we have more of these providers coming online all the time not just the bigger ones but also a lot of the smaller ones now you know stake wise V3 went live recently uh there's uh swell a bunch of others I'm not going to I'm not going to obviously Diva but you know all these things that are coming online or have come online that you can stake with uh

that's obviously better to go with them than the bigger players because you support the network you support decentralization but really we can't expect people at a certain point to run a validator or run a full no because it's just not economically sound for them to do that uh especially uh you know if if let's just say even one eth is way above their monthly salary or something like that which is true for a lot of places around the world even in First World countries guys like I think in crypto we may be I don't know if we're blind to it but we kind of don't think about it too much because in crypto like the money becomes this this kind of thing that's that's imaginary I don't know if you guys feel this way but in crypto because money is such like a an ingrained thing in it and it's so

abstract and we see these numbers all the time they kind of lose meaning for us right like you know you look at um at coin Gecko and you see a coin going up and the coin is worth like you know a billion dollars or something like that you're like oh yeah okay it's worth a billion dollars whatever but I mean this is what I mean like that that's a that's a billion dollar market cap yes obviously like if everyone wanted to sell it wouldn't be worth a billion dollar but I think that as an ecosystem as a space we lose sight of just how much money is thrown around in crypto and we become desensitized to it and that makes us lose sight of uh how you know how little money a lot of people have around the world especially to do things like crypto not not you know not

just crypto investing but getting involved with onchain stuff which of course comes back to obviously all the scaling stuff as well right I know I'm going on a little bit of a tangent here but I think this is important to talk about and I I'll finish it up with the scaling stuff but the scaling stuff as well right we like obviously ethereum layer one is super expensive and most of the world is never going to be able to afford the gas fees on that and that's that's the way it is that's the way ethereum has chosen to scale we've kept layer one uh relatively limited and then we're going to scale via layer twos and bring those costs down and I think that that is a lot of something that a lot of people Miss within crypto is that like ethereum could be as scalable and

performant at layer one as um some of these other chains but it has chosen not to do that right it has chosen to go down a different path for scaling and obviously in the end game we want fees to basically be non-existent as i' as I've said before fees will be abstracted away even if the fees are like really really small they'll be abstracted away or baked into the user actions things like that right um you know people may even sell kind of like bundles of services to people through a centralized intermediary it's going to take all these different shapes and forms but really when you're trying to Target the entire planet you want to bring costs down as much as possible of course but at the same time you have to realize that there are different kind of things that different participants can do uh

based on the economics of the entire system and based on what actually makes economical sense because you can try and ignore the economics of the system you can try and ignore ignore economic reality but that's not how the world works the world Works based on economics and economic reality and it's not just from a money persp perspective it's not just from like getting paid or or you know tangible money like Fiat or or cryptocurrencies I'm talking about the very definition of of value right because time has value your your possessions have value right uh your opport you know they have opportunity cost all these sorts of things that are maybe intangible value uh but that's valuable nonetheless so when we're talking in that broader aspect of things there's a lot more things to consider than just making something as cheap as possible to run right because then as I

said there's economical kind of um prop to that uh and the world runs that's how the world works that's how humans work that's how we've worked since the dawn of time I mean we went from Valu valuing you know who's got the biggest literal stick to defend their their cave from other tribes right to now being basically hey who's got the most amount of money to be able to afford to affect government policy for example right in with with lobbying and stuff like that so there's a whole kind of spectrum here and it's evolved over time of course but at the end of the day uh the the reality is that um the world ones on on what's valuable and what's not and people different people have different values and so on and so forth and I'm going to end it here because I could I could talk

about this for a long time this is one of the most fascinating subjects to me but I'm going to digress on that point and move on to the next uh bit of news from today so uh this is asn't actually news as much as it is just a shout out here so Tim boo did an entire kind of slideshow here and there's a video I'll link it in the YouTube description below but this is all about ethereum governance and how ethereum governance actually works so if you've ever been curious about ethereum governance and how it works and how decisions get made in ethereum and how you know everything works within ethereum this is coming from basically the source essentially Timo is uh you know very very involved within the ethereum core development process has been for a very long time

now and there's probably no one better to discuss ethereum governance than him so this is a real trait to get this so I highly suggest going and checking this out maybe after the refuel maybe you can pause the refu go watch this but I'll link this in the YouTube description below for you to do so as I said there are slides attached to it as well so you definitely want to be watching it but it was a great watch I really enjoyed it obviously I'm already you know mostly aware of how ethereum governance works but just watching it and hearing it from from Tim and hearing his views on things was incredibly insightful so definitely go check that out I'll link it in the YouTube description below for you to do so all right so the rocket pool or rocket rescue node is now available for

solo stakers so solo stakers can now use this service as a fullback Beacon node for maintenance and emergencies access is granted for 10 days at a time twice per year so for those of you who don't know what this is it's basically as it says a backup node for you to connect to in case your your one Falls over now this has been available in the Rocka pool uh system for quite a while now but now it's available for solo node operators so you can go check this out I'll link in the YouTube description below if this applies to you but I mean this definitely is not the only way to have a backup for your node obviously you can have another PC running in your house as as a backup but the whole point of the Rocka pool rescue node is that basically uh you know if something goes

wrong with your setup you can use this as uh a community run uh you know trust minimized thing in order to essentially have a backup for your solo node or for your rocket pool node so yeah just wanted to give a shout out to these guys you can go check them out I'll link this in the YouTube description below for you to do so all right so igen lay is expanding I mentioned the other week that Igan layer had whitelisted or had chosen six new lsts to add to their platform and obviously raising the reaking Caps now this is going to be happening on I believe I read the date just before uh I've lost a date here I think it's it's happening soon um uh I think that because because this blog post is where they actually announced the date of where these lsts will be going live and

the six lsts by the way are os eth uh which is stake wise is eth swell eth um OE which is origin protocol f e x which is star W Beth which is B an and anchor e which is which is Anchor here so these will be going live out here's the date on December 18th at 10:00 a.m. Pacific time um uh so the AL will be integrated following a 10-day waiting period from the queued unpaused multi governance transaction triggered today oh I didn't even know that they have a a pause on their governance transactions of 10 days so even though they triggered it today it will take 10 days for it to actually be activated which means that yeah as I said December 18th 10 a.m. PT the reaking Caps will be lifted and the six new lsts will be added so if you're

interested in getting um getting uh uh kind of involved with this then you can go uh mark this on your calendars but you can also check out this IG ler thread it's got a a bunch more information about the caps and stuff like that I'll link it in the YouTube description below uh for you to check out all right so just an update here from the coinbase effort to do their coinbase verifications program which is basically the program of coinbase users being able to do an onch attestation using the ethereum attestation service of their ethereum address uh to their coinbase account in order to take advantage of perks on uh the Bas Network now there's been over 50,000 attestations with a verified account uh

and and Country 33 plus th000 unique users and 30% of all ethereum attestation Services attestations have been from this coinbase verification thing now this is really cool because the fact that there's already been 33,000 unique users in what is it like five or six weeks since they since they made this go live you can actually see this in the chart here it gives us a pretty good uh I guess like um pretty good idea of how many really plugged in onchain users there are right now because there hasn't really been a great way to be able to have any certainty over how many onchain ethereum users there actually are whether it's on ethereum L1 or l2s we can't tie addresses to individual people but we can like in in the vanilla state but we

can tie indiv address to individual people if those people choose to attest to their address using their coinbase account which is obviously kyc verified so that we know that they're a unique human or at least we have relative certainty obviously kyc can be bought and some some slip through the cracks of coinbase's verification system but generally this is going to be a really good gauge for how many active users or how many actual onchain users there actually are on these platforms so just really great to see there's been a massive uptick here as you can see and I'm I'm looking forward to seeing this grow uh more but you can go check out the dunat leaks dashboard that tracks all of this for yourself I'll link it in the YouTube description below for you to do so all right Tao has introduced something today called the based

contestable rollup or BCR which is a configurable multipro rollup design so the tldr from my reading of what this is that they're basically mixing together uh validity proofs and a kind of I guess pseudo fraud proof system or I mean not I wouldn't say pseudo fraud proof system but basically a a fraud proof proof system so that from my understanding as I said like I'm not completely up to speed on this yet but from my understanding what this would do is that you could have multiple people submitting a um a validity proof and then people have a time to challenge those validity proofs uh with a fraud proof so to play The Challenge game there and this can lead to a uh you know a a better more secure rollup uh and can actually lessen the risks of there being

a critical bug within the ZK uh uh system itself which is one of the things that I think a lot of the ZK teams are worried about is critical bugs and that's why they have multisig right and that's why they they try their best to mitigate these things but this is a really interesting kind of uh design from uh from what Tao is doing here now I might be wrong on on the actual kind of like um on the actual design aspects here uh in terms of like uh the the details but you can go check out this thread and the blog post for yourself I'll link it in the YouTube description below but I think I'm I'm right because like you can see here what they're doing it's not it's not just an optimistic or or fraud proof as well they're using other ways like sgx which is Intel sgx

as well coupled with bonds so you know you put up a bond of a th000 tao tokens in order to to to be part of the system which is the normal way the optimistic fraud proofs work in the first place or fraud proofs work in the first place and then uh it basically has like these different tiers that come right up to uh to the guardian tier here which is uh which is not contestable so you can contest it at any at any stage uh here and with economic security backing it and then eventually it becomes non-contestable because it becomes part of the chain but anyway you can go check this out for yourself I'll link it in the YouTube description below for you to do so all right a mutable has been on a tear lately I haven't talked about them in a few weeks here but they have been

Landing partnership after partnership after partnership I mean it's been crazy and as you guys know immutable is all about the gaming ecosystem within ethereum they're building a layer 2 powered by polygon technology zkm powered by polygons technology here um but today they announced that they have partnered up with Merit Circle which is a project that I believe started on Avalanche uh so I think that a merit circle is either migrating or expanding their beam uh ecosystem over to the immutable ecosystem here which is which is great to see obviously with uh this kind of gaming stuff that's that that's going on now we want them to be as interoperable as possible and bringing them into the polygon ZK family uh and the immutable family obviously is uh is

a match made in heaven I think because uh because when it comes to what is doing with their ZK Tech they're also building a super chain like what op what optimism is doing where essentially all of these different chains can instantly communicate with each other and there's no fragmentation of of kind of user base of liquidity and all that sorts of stuff there and it makes it much easier for anyone building interfaces on top to also interact with these things and Abstract them away for their end users here so yeah just great to see this partnership between a mutable and and Merit Circle and and I guess like with with their beam platform here but also on the polygon note there was an interesting tweet from sand deep today that I thought was really great where he said contrary to the current rhetoric by investors of Monolithic l1s once ZK

proofs solve cross chain composability every dap defy protocol or any other kind of trustless app will have its own chain um and then he continues on and basically talks about all the different uh all the different kind of use cases that will have their own chain so it's all about cross chain composability now most other parts are largely largely solved with ZK l2s we are solving for cross train composability with polygon 2.0's aggregator aggregation layer together with polygon's train development kit this would become the internet 3.0 the trustless internet and then uh suo Theos from scroll replied and don't he said don't Mo most chains won't bother with their own infrastructure and then sandep said yes but I didn't say they'll run their own chain they'll simply use some rollup as a service provider and that's always

been my my thesis as well is where that we've basically collapsed the costs of both monetary costs and also um the cost of the effort and and research costs and all that we've collapse those costs down to essentially zero to run your own uh rollup and to run your own kind of chain because of these chain development kits like polygon cdk like the op stack like ZK stack from ZK sync and a bunch of others out there right we basically collaps those costs down we're essentially making your own rollup I mean not not maybe not now but in the near future will be as easy as deploying your app to to the ethereum main net right and then you get that instant kind of composability with the within that same ecosystem and then eventually the composability between different

ecosystems as well using all the fancy technology that's coming out of the ZK space here so yeah exciting times guys I mean I didn't expect us to see as much progress as we have this soon to be honest I mean it's still 2023 obviously we've got less than a month left of 2023 but I remember even a couple years ago people were saying a ZK rollups are 5 years out and we've had ZK rollups live all year and they're not just live they're you know they're thriving they have users they have activity there's so much going on even in the the optimistic roll up space still even though people said they were going to die it's just kind of funny because I remember even I think two years ago is it two years ago now when when arbitrum and optimism were going live everyone was like oh we have

ZK stuff coming soon arbitrum and optimism are going to be Obsolete and then I remember saying on the refuel you know people that watched back then know what I'm talking about here but I remember saying that they're not going to be obsoleted that it's about so much more than the underlying technology it really is about the Integrations with the ecosystem the marketing the business development Partnerships the user experience generally all that sorts of stuff and because optimistic rollups kind of came first and built up that ecosystem and also because they're not as bad as people say they are the 7-Day withdrawal period thing was completely solved by Bridges right that they're going to be very sticky and if we go to L2 beat I mean I'll bring it up on my other screen here and just uh bring it over for you guys if we go to L2 beat I

mean the top two l2s out there as by TBL I guess obviously TV is an imperfect measure but still our arrum one and op main net and guess what's third it's bass right nothing optimistic rollup the the ZK rollups start coming in at fourth and fifth place of ZK sync and dydx um and then you have like the hybrids like the optimums and the validium and then ZK rollups but really I I I think there's only going to be in terms of like the actual Stacks um arbitrum stack and op stack are going to be the only optimistic rollups that really um like pure optimistic rollups that really take off but then there are hybrid optimistic ZK rollups uh then there are obious the optimums and there's just so much there like a world here of different things that can be built uh and really they

will be built and we will see which ones people want to use we'll see which ones are long lasting it's going to be an exciting time guys like I'm I'm I'm amped for it but anyway enough of me being amped about things uh one last thing here about l2s I guess um and and fragmentation and and I guess like abstraction here uh Park released their park Explorer today now this is a an explorer that shows you a bunch of stuff going on when you plug in an address into it you can go to park. fi to check this out but what's really cool about this is that it doesn't just check one chain it checks all of the supported chains here so if I put in my sassle doe address so I'll just copy it across here so this is sassle e here comes up

instantly and I search for it right I can see everything going on on my address like not only does it give me a much better like view of my address than something like ether scan whe and and I guess like a much more detailed view of what's going on and also kind of um funding hisory and trade flows and all that good stuff there it's also got the different chains that you can select here so you can select you know if I select Arbitron one it will show me what I've got on arbitrum one it's like bass it'll show me what I've got on bass op main net right uh and then I don't have on tassel. E at least I don't have any other chains that I've interacted with but this is again another layer of abstraction uh not obviously on the on the onchain side of things but on the

offchain side of things and the infrastructure side where we're basically like well here you go here's your entire address across all these different chains in one interface like I don't know how many times I have to say it at this point guys but we are abstracting away everything and there will not be a world where users have to worry about all the different layers underneath that's not what's going to happen I sound like a broken record at this point but every day now we're getting a new tool that just abstracts things away or bring or you know or or or or brings them all together and gets rid of any of the fragmentation and it's not just unique to ethereum and l2s it's just across the entire ecosystem right if any of the other kind of like ecosystems uh uh need to be Consolidated and and and brought into like a a single

dashboard or something like that they will be for sure uh but yeah you can go check this out for yourself and plug in your own address I'll leave a link to it in the YouTube description below for you to do so all right last up here we have an update to the rainbow wallet so so they've added transaction transaction safety features in Rainbow now so for those of you who use the rabby wallet and other similar wallets here you'll uh and and fire which is an extension obviously as well uh you'll notice some of the uh I guess prompts here basically telling you exactly what the transaction is doing and warning you of of any scams and giving you just more information to go off which is really great to see because I think that any wallet that doesn't have this information in it is

not going to succeed long term um it needs to be able to show this information to the user to make the user feel safe because safety should be and security should be the absolute number one priority for any team building in crypto but especially wallet teams because wallets are the interface into the onchain ecosystem and if you're still using like I stupidly was when I um lost my op tokens to a fish just vanilla metam mask without any of the snaps included in metam mask then you really have uh very limited visibility on what's going on what and what you're actually approving what transactions you're actually doing so if you do use Rainbow on on on desktop here on the extension you can go uh uh check out this feature of course but as I said like there are other wallets that have these features as well like Rabbi

metamask has the different snaps you can connect to it as well Tahoe there's a few others out there but this is the future of of wallets guys there there's not going to be a future of mass adoption when we basically throw up these random kind of uh mumbo jumbo to people and say you know here's what's happening and people read it I'm like I don't even know what's happening right now like am I sending all my money to some Nigerian prince or something right to some scammer who knows uh but yeah anyway just go check this out on Rainbow's desktop extension if you haven't yet uh and I'll link this video in the YouTube description below so you can check it out for yourself all right I did say I wanted to talk a bit about uh crypto Twitter uh just to end out today's episode I'll try

not to get too ranty with this you guys know my general view on crypto Twitter it is uh it's not great but I put out a tweet today where I said the main problem with crypto Twitter is that you have people playing crypto on vastly different time frames someone playing crypto for a few months because the market is bullish is not going to be on the same page as someone playing the decades long game so play your own game I think this is true not just for crypto Twitter but just anything got to do with crypto like if you have people coming in and they're literally only here because they want to make money and you know they're going to disappear in a bare market so they're they're only here for the bull market and but but then you're in crypto because you care about the

technology you want to help the ecosystem Thrive you want to see it Thrive over many years if not decades to come you are playing a completely different game to that other person you're basically playing chess while they're playing a quick round of I don't know Counter Strike online or something like that where they in get you know get in and out sort of thing whereas you're playing a strategic game a a potentially longer term game you know I don't you know chess games don't can go quickly as well I'm talking about like a longer term game here and of course as usual these are my loose analogies on on the Fly here but but the point is is that there's no point even conversing with these people because you aren't on the same page they don't want to learn about the tech all they want to know is how to

make the most money and you may not necessarily care about how to make the most money or just dejing into shitcoins so and you'd rather talk about the tech so you're basically out of sync you're not on the same wavelength and there's no point uh conversing U maybe some of these people convert and later on down down down the line and they become in it for the tech because as I've said plenty of times before there's nothing wrong with wanting to make money and uh I think every first cycler starts out you know almost every first cycle starts out the same way where they're less interested in the tech and way more interested in making money but at some point right like it becomes a thing of okay well I've made some money here or maybe I'm bored of losing money because I've I've been too much of a d genen I'm

actually going to just uh you know study the tech form some longer-term investment thesises and get involved with the community rather than just being a random reply guy who says to all the people that are are buying eth that they're coping because you know eth hasn't moved as much as some random shitcoin or something like that like again like crypto Twitter as I said is is not a great place um I don't I I don't even know why I'm still on there to be honest I I I feel like I'm just addicted at this point and it's just like a really bad drug for me honestly also because of the refuel I I reckon it' be much easier for me to quit crypto Twitter if I wasn't doing the refuel because I have to keep up to date with things so I can do the refuel and that's

fine but I feel like if I wasn't for the refuel I would actually probably quit Twitter all together right it just doesn't bring me as much joy as it once did and just it just there's a lot of crap on there um but anyway enough ranting about that as I said I didn't want to rant too long about that uh but yeah I figured that was worth mentioning on today's episode but I think that's going to be it for today so thank you everyone for listening and watching be sure to subscribe to the channel if you haven't yet give video a thumbs up subscribe to newsl join the Disco Channel and I'll catch you all tomorrow thanks everyone